aa2900 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Best ask the growers,they are the ones saying that the seasonal workers scheme,namely immigrants, being abolished will cause food prices to rise because they can't get other people from the UK to do it. Well they would say that wouldn't they? No doubt they also claim that they have to pay below the living wage otherwise they can't compete with imports from places like Albania where the minimum wage is 160 Euros/month. ---------- Post added 28-11-2016 at 22:37 ---------- You are suggesting we reduce our already poor level of food security even further? Really? Apparently having a population somewhat smaller requires rather less food to be grown to feed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You can just imagine the clamour for daily 80 mile round trips into Lincolnshire to pick fruit and veg on minimum wage. If they could not get the manual labour, the farmers would plant something that does not need harvesting by hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Apparently having a population somewhat smaller requires rather less food to be grown to feed it. The population is going to grow, not shrink smithy ---------- Post added 28-11-2016 at 22:42 ---------- If they could not get the manual labour, the farmers would plant something that does not need harvesting by hand. Potatoes. Yay!!! Mash tonight, chips tomorrow, birds eye potato waffles on wednesday........ No end of potato combos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well they would say that wouldn't they? No doubt they also claim that they have to pay below the living wage otherwise they can't compete with imports from places like Albania where the minimum wage is 160 Euros/month. ---------- Post added 28-11-2016 at 22:37 ---------- Apparently having a population somewhat smaller requires rather less food to be grown to feed it. Well,when Brexit is completed,they might have another problem,like getting the government to hand over the cash that the EU used to provide for them,so it looks like food prices might go up anyway if they don't,whatever wage is paid......looks like them Albanian vegetables will be a good way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Well,when Brexit is completed,they might have another problem,like getting the government to hand over the cash that the EU used to provide for them,so it looks like food prices might go up anyway if they don't,whatever wage is paid......looks like them Albanian vegetables will be a good way to go. With the government being outed with the understanding that we are unlikely to get access to the single market in any Brexit deal it is looking like a GE to finally settle this becoming more likely. Any sane person wouldn't think it would be reasonable to significantly cripple our own financial services sector by such a move. The loss to the economy would probably be worse than 2008/9 and to make it worse it will be all self inflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 With the government being outed with the understanding that we are unlikely to get access to the single market in any Brexit deal it is looking like a GE to finally settle this becoming more likely. Any sane person wouldn't think it would be reasonable to significantly cripple our own financial services sector by such a move. The loss to the economy would probably be worse than 2008/9 and to make it worse it will be all self inflicted. Anyone wanting a guarantee that the UK will keep access to the single market for the considerable future, had the option to vote remain on June 23rd. The British people voted to leave the EU by a democratic process, so it is irrelevant whether the economy will be better or worse off as a consequence, because the decision has now been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 We all know that it wasn't a binding decision though and it's been well documented that many people have since changed their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Anyone wanting a guarantee that the UK will keep access to the single market for the considerable future, had the option to vote remain on June 23rd.The Leave campaign misrepresented that the UK could maintain such access to the Single Market as to get an even better deal (than EU membership ) during the campaign, right up to 23 June (link). Per the latest alleged 'leak', to the effect that the government's plan still boils down to having its cake and eating it (PMSL! ) The British people voted to leave the EU by a democratic process, so it is irrelevant whether the economy will be better or worse off as a consequence, because the decision has now been made.What if the British people vote to remain in the EU instead in a later democratic process? Would such a later decision be any less democratic? Note that I'm not saying that another referendum or a GE is going to happen or not (couldn't care less), I'm just asking your opinion about the above hypothesis. Accessorily...only imbeciles never change their mind Edited November 29, 2016 by L00b link added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 We all know that it wasn't a binding decision though and it's been well documented that many people have since changed their minds. There was not talk about the referendum not being a binding decision before the referendum or on the day after the referendum. Yes, it is well documented people have changed their mind because the people voted to stay in the EU (Common Market) in 1975 and then voted to leave the EU in 2016. The wishes of the democratic people were honoured in 1975 and they rightly should be honoured in 2016. ---------- Post added 29-11-2016 at 09:09 ---------- What if the British people vote to remain in the EU instead in a later democratic process? Would such a later decision be any less democratic? Note that I'm not saying that another referendum or a GE is going to happen or not (couldn't care less), I'm just asking your opinion about the above hypothesis. Accessorily...only imbeciles never change their mind see my above post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) There was not talk about the referendum not being a binding decision before the referendum or on the day after the referendum. Wrong again (tons more links, and posts aplenty about this in the closed referendum-themed threads ("how will you vote?") pre-24 June on here). Do you want to double where scores really matter, or quit while you're ahead? see my above post Since your post does not really answer my questions, should I therefore understand your dodging attempt, as your claiming that a new referendum or a GE which returns a majority vote to remain in the EU would be undemocractic? Edited November 29, 2016 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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