Gamston Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They are planning another referendum on the issue of Scotland leaving the UK, because people may have changed their mind, since the first one. If we dont leave for a few years, and the polls show in favour of staying in; is that what May is hoping for? Delay, indecision, delay, delay!! The UK can't change its mind about leaving the EU after article 50 is triggered. Mrs May has stated Article 50 will be triggered by the end of March 2017 and the only wish Mrs May has, is there will be no legal or Parliament interference to delay the democratic wishes of the UK electorate being carried out. The whole issue of another Scottish Independence is a red herring. Firstly Scotland requires the permission of the UK Government. before they can arrange a second referendum. Secondly the Scottish people can never vote on whether they want to be part of the UK or the EU, because that option has never been available to them or will ever be available to them in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The UK can't change its mind about leaving the EU after article 50 is triggered. oh yes it can once left, we can always rejoin and whether or not article 50 can be uninvoked once revoked will be a matter for the ECJ should that situation arrive. Mrs May has stated Article 50 will be triggered by the end of March 2017 and the only wish Mrs May has, is there will be no legal or Parliament interference to delay the democratic wishes of the UK electorate being carried out. Even amongst those who feel it is a mistake to leave the EU, there is only small, but appealing to the news media, collection of people in favour of changing our mind The leavers have Nigel Farage, we have these few people. It kinda balances everything out. What Mrs May wants is no parlimentary scrutiny at all of this process because a) the power has gone to her head and in 15 weeks she has achieved the same level of internal deification that Thatcher took 15 years to achieve b) she doesn't have a clue about what to do next since no possible deal will be acceptable to a broad enough collection of party members to hold the conservative party together or voters to elect a conservative government in 2020 or indeed citizens to hold the country together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hush Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They are planning another referendum on the issue of Scotland leaving the UK, because people may have changed their mind, since the first one. Well good luck to them on that one. YouGov had a poll recently following the Brexit vote. It showed even fewer scots would vote for independence now than did in their referendum. It also showed the majority of scots do not want another referendum on independence. Nicola Sturgeon knows this full well and knows that if she pushes another referendum and loses again she will be toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 here's an alternative which satisfies everyone https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/12/england-wales-eu-brexit-article-50 basically, England and Wales leave the UK. leaving Scotland and Northern Ireland as the remaining members of the UK. No need for article 50 or anything really..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The unemployment figures prove we have the people to fill the jobs and with better training and tougher action by the Government, to make work more attractive than not working for the lazy or those who don't wish to do menial jobs, then lower immigration will not have a negative impact on our country. Euhmmm... google Friction Unemployment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 here's an alternative which satisfies everyone https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/12/england-wales-eu-brexit-article-50 basically, England and Wales leave the UK. leaving Scotland and Northern Ireland as the remaining members of the UK. No need for article 50 or anything really..... It wouldn't satisfy Spain or the EU. There are no members of the EU called Northern Ireland or Scotland. The UK joined the then common market as an whole and will leave the EU as an whole. The UK voted in the EU referendum as an whole and the final result was decided as an whole and regional areas were only used for counting the votes purposes only. Lets just pretend for hypothetical fun that Northern Ireland and Scotland could stay in the EU, then what do the remaining EU nations gain from allowing net burden EU budget regions of the UK to stay, when the big net contributing region (England) is leaving ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It wouldn't satisfy Spain or the EU. There are no members of the EU called Northern Ireland or Scotland. The UK joined the then common market as an whole and will leave the EU as an whole. The UK voted in the EU referendum as an whole and the final result was decided as an whole and regional areas were only used for counting the votes purposes only. Lets just pretend for hypothetical fun that Northern Ireland and Scotland could stay in the EU, then what do the remaining EU nations gain from allowing net burden EU budget regions of the UK to stay, when the big net contributing region (England) is leaving ? The point you seem to have missed is that if England and Wales leave the UK, then the UK is Scotland and Northern Island. who are in the EU. England and Wales go their own way into solitude fearful of everyone and everything outside their borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The point you seem to have missed is that if England and Wales leave the UK, then the UK is Scotland and Northern Island. who are in the EU. England and Wales go their own way into solitude fearful of everyone and everything outside their borders. You seem to have lost the plot Have you never heard about the Acts of Union, which created the United Kingdom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 You seem to have lost the plot Have you never heard about the Acts of Union, which created the United Kingdom ? indeed i have, but if scotland had withdrawn from the uk in 2014 they would have needed repealing, and the same situation would arise if england (and wales) were to withdraw from the uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The point is there will no longer be free movement of people, between the UK and the EU after BREXIT meaning the UK should now be planning to fill more job vacancies from people already here. The unemployment figures prove we have the people to fill the jobs and with better training and tougher action by the Government, to make work more attractive than not working for the lazy or those who don't wish to do menial jobs, then lower immigration will not have a negative impact on our country. Nobody is saying that the UK hasn't benefited as a consequence of immigration, but recently the numbers have become to high putting too much pressure on our resources and public services. The unemployment figures prove the opposite. The Conservatives boasted about creating 2m jobs in 4 years. At that rate our supply of unemployed using your bizarrely simplistic numbers game would be quickly exhausted. Everybody would be employed and businesses would be competing for workers. Workers could pick and choose where they worked demanding ever high wages. Inflation would go stratospheric. Businesses would buckle because of worker shortages and workers constantly hopping jobs. Hmmmmm, where will we get more workers............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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