I1L2T3 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The ONS says the net migration figure is similar to the previous year, although it was up slightly on the 12 months ending in March, when it stood at 326,000. Immigration minister Robert Goodwill said the government was "committed to getting net migration down". "That is why reducing the number of migrants coming to the UK will be a key priority of our negotiations to leave the EU." Immigration remains at historically high levels - and its target to get net migration to less than 100,000 remains a long way off. How about reducing immigration from outside of the EU, when will that start? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38167225 Bit in bold = never. Brexit leaders are quite clear. They want to increase immigration from outside the EU. They want to fully marketise higher eduction which in turn could mean unlimited numbers of student visas being issued. No fundamentalist neoliberal is ever going to eschew a cornerstone of globalisation, that being powerful and massive migratory flows. If business demands it then mass immigration from the EU will be replaced by mass immigration from outside the EU. The most extraordinary thing is how well they've kept all this hidden. They never talk about numbers reduction. They always talk about control and decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Bit in bold = never. Numbers should reduce when our economy nose dives. An 'expert' panel on BBC news was saying things could get really worse in 2017, as nothing has happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The ONS says the net migration figure is similar to the previous year, although it was up slightly on the 12 months ending in March, when it stood at 326,000. Immigration minister Robert Goodwill said the government was "committed to getting net migration down". "That is why reducing the number of migrants coming to the UK will be a key priority of our negotiations to leave the EU." Immigration remains at historically high levels - and its target to get net migration to less than 100,000 remains a long way off. How about reducing immigration from outside of the EU, when will that start? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38167225 Immigration from outside the EU is different to EU immigration, non eu migrants have to meet certain criteria whereas EU citizens can just hop on a coach or plane here and are waved through the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Numbers should reduce when our economy nose dives. An 'expert' panel on BBC news was saying things could get really worse in 2017, as nothing has happened yet. doesn't anyone get it the new slave workforce, are from eastern Europe. they don't know it . Its just we don't either. The powers that be want a total mobile work population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamston Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It seems you are not reading posts properly and jumping to conclusions. What I said was that we will leave but the terms of Brexit need to suit us all. If extreme Brexiters succeed in imposing their narrow agenda on the whole country then I am predicting there will be serious social unrest. I want the opposite: a softer Brexit that doesn't trash the economy and preserves rights that all of us (young and old) currently enjoy. It is not undemocratic for people to shape the outcome in that way. Take away the rights of people and compromise their economic future for decades and you create anger like you have never seen. I'm not condoning it, just warning about what would inevitably happen. As I said earlier the time has now come. You can put aside the rhetoric and bloody-minded aversion to facts. Now your heroes have to deliver their promises, and that involves the collision of promises founded on lies and deception with cold hard reality. It's here. It's not fantasy any more. It has to work. The obvious outcome is some backtracking from hard Brexiters as the reality finally dawns on them. Utter nonsense ..... The UK voted to leave the EU, so how on earth can any Government negotiate to leave the EU, on terms to suit us all, including sore losers such as you, who have no respect for democracy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 doesn't anyone get it the new slave workforce, are from eastern Europe. they don't know it . Its just we don't either. The powers that be want a total mobile work population. I voted remain; and I get it. Nothing is changing, and very little will change. They CAN control immigration from outside the EU, but they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Utter nonsense ..... The UK voted to leave the EU, so how on earth can any Government negotiate to leave the EU, on terms to suit us all, including sore losers such as you, who have no respect for democracy ? It can negotiate terms that suit the largest majority of the public, which is clearly not some economically suicidal hard exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Utter nonsense ..... The UK voted to leave the EU, so how on earth can any Government negotiate to leave the EU, on terms to suit us all, including sore losers such as you, who have no respect for democracy ? with care they could negotiate a deal which is at least tolerable to the majority and could rebind the country a deal which satisfies only the shouty exiters will do nothing to heal the rifts or for the economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Immigration from outside the EU is different to EU immigration, non eu migrants have to meet certain criteria whereas EU citizens can just hop on a coach or plane here and are waved through the border. It is different. The numbers of non-EU immigrants seeking work are much much lower than EU immigrants. EU immigrants come here to work. Many of them are here transiently. Non-EU immigrants, unless they are students, come here to stay. And we see some of the results of that with huge numbers of Asian women not able to speak English competently and almost two thirds of them not part of the workforce. Blunt but true. ---------- Post added 02-01-2017 at 11:59 ---------- Utter nonsense ..... The UK voted to leave the EU, so how on earth can any Government negotiate to leave the EU, on terms to suit us all, including sore losers such as you, who have no respect for democracy ? You're just repeating the same thing over and over now. It can't make it come true. You can't keep bad mouthing people and trying to make mud stick. The time for all that is over. We're at the business end now where the promises have to be kept. Would probably be easier if the likes of Farage hadn't run away, and the government wasn't hiding. We have made a democratic decision to leave but that does not end the democratic process where Brexit is concerned. In fact it's impossible that democratic processes and procedures would not be used. If you deny that then it is you who has no respect for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It is different. The numbers of non-EU immigrants seeking work are much much lower than EU immigrants. EU immigrants come here to work. Many of them are here transiently. Non-EU immigrants, unless they are students, come here to stay. And we see some of the results of that with huge numbers of Asian women not able to speak English competently and almost two thirds of them not part of the workforce. Blunt but true. ---------- Post added 02-01-2017 at 11:59 ---------- You're just repeating the same thing over and over now. It can't make it come true. You can't keep bad mouthing people and trying to make mud stick. The time for all that is over. We're at the business end now where the promises have to be kept. Would probably be easier if the likes of Farage hadn't run away, and the government wasn't hiding. We have made a democratic decision to leave but that does not end the democratic process where Brexit is concerned. In fact it's impossible that democratic processes and procedures would not be used. If you deny that then it is you who has no respect for democracy. My bold= Non EU migrants can't claim benefits for 5 years when they come here. EU ones can after a few months and also you do realise that many NHS workers are from non EU country's? Your bit regarding Asian women not learning to speak the language competently has no bearing on the discussion but now that you have bought it up what about the EU citizens who come here and can't speak the language? What about the non EU citizens who have somehow got into the EU and are using that route to just waltz into the UK? EU freedom of movement that equates to unchecked immigration from the EU was one of the reasons brexit was voted for. ---------- Post added 02-01-2017 at 12:19 ---------- I voted remain; and I get it. Nothing is changing, and very little will change. They CAN control immigration from outside the EU, but they are not. Non EU immigration brings money in for the Govt via visa application fees etc, clamping down on it would reduce the income from it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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