I1L2T3 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Would affect the EU more than the UK. Prove it. The time for just saying things you like is over. We're at the business end now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If it's all sooooooooo easy why did the Canadian trade deal take 10 years only to be held up be a regional council in in Belgium? There you highlight the problem with dealing with the EU. It sounds as though it is just one body but in reality all the member states have to be consulted and agree to the final outcome. This shows up how highly bureaucratic the EU is and why it takes ages to form any deal. I'm sure Canada had all their conditions set out at the onset and if it was dealing with just another country it could have been wrapped up in less than a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 There you highlight the problem with dealing with the EU. It sounds as though it is just one body but in reality all the member states have to be consulted and agree to the final outcome. This shows up how highly bureaucratic the EU is and why it takes ages to form any deal. I'm sure Canada had all their conditions set out at the onset and if it was dealing with just another country it could have been wrapped up in less than a few years. America and that other economic giant panama, took 8 and a half years to sort out an FTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 America and that other economic giant panama, took 8 and a half years to sort out an FTA. But our standards and trade arrangements start from a position of free trade and alignment so it's not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 But our standards and trade arrangements start from a position of free trade and alignment so it's not comparable. With all due respect you don't seem to know what free trade means. The idea of being free from the EU and the idea of free trade seem to have been conflated, almost like it's the same thing. It's not. No country just enters into a free trade deal, for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 With all due respect you don't seem to know what free trade means. The idea of being free from the EU and the idea of free trade seem to have been conflated, almost like it's the same thing. It's not. No country just enters into a free trade deal, for obvious reasons. I'm not aware of any such conflation. Most free trade deals are negotiated from a starting poisition of WTO rules. This one is coming from a starting poisition of unrestricted trade. That will make a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) I'm not aware of any such conflation. Most free trade deals are negotiated from a starting poisition of WTO rules. This one is coming from a starting poisition of unrestricted trade. That will make a big difference. You appear to contradioct yourself. If we aren't in the EU, then we will have defaulted back to WTO rules (as we are members of it, as you keep saying) so we won't be in a position of unrestricted trade. ---------- Post added 05-01-2017 at 23:34 ---------- Because the EU is an expensive talking shop. it's a blessing that once Article 50 is triggered, then everything has to be sorted in two years. All agreements will be rubber stamped, during the early hours of some morning near to the deadline. And it doesn't have to be sorted out for us to get kicked out - 2 years after A50 is enacted, unless both sides have extended the deadline, then we are no longer part of the EU, trade agreements or not. Edited January 5, 2017 by Litotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Britains departure to cost EU billions= http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-to-cost-european-union-billions-a-1111724.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The trade deal will be thrashed out between UK, France and Germany. The rest will fall into line. However, what is an interesting possible consequence of Brexit is the crumbling of the EU. France and the Netherlands look like going, Greece will surely go, even Germany may have a referendum after the migrant crisis. I can't see any of them having an in or out referendum any time soon,just in case the same thing happens as it did here.The political vote may swing towards the right but a referendum is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Would affect the EU more than the UK. You're mad, or in denial. ---------- Post added 06-01-2017 at 07:30 ---------- Britains departure to cost EU billions= http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-to-cost-european-union-billions-a-1111724.html Stating the obvious, we are a net contributor to the EU budget. That doesn't mean however that we're suddenly going to have £350 million/week to spend on the NHS though. Because the harm to our economy is going to cost us more than EU membership did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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