andyofborg Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yup. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jan/23/trident-missile-failure-may-commons-statement--to-blame-for-cover-up-of-trident-missile-test-failure-says-top-tory-politics-live?page=with:block-588620c6e4b0dd6f5509d3af#block-588620c6e4b0dd6f5509d3af One in 4 people up for a seconds referendum of any kind. Kind of says it all. i think people just want it over, though when the realisation dawns that a terrible mistake has been made then maybe they will yearn for a second referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 i think people just want it over, though when the realisation dawns that a terrible mistake has been made then maybe they will yearn for a second referendum. You can't really believe this rhetoric. What about all the countries outside the EU doing fine? Project fear failed in large part because it was so extreme that almost nobody though it plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 You can't really believe this rhetoric. What about all the countries outside the EU doing fine? by and large they haven't spent the last 40 years intermingling their economies with the EU though Project fear failed in large part because it was so extreme that almost nobody though it plausible. well, i rather hope that it doesn't happen, but at the minute it seems we have choice between a) american client state or b) zero rights tax haven for the wealthy neither are particularly appealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 i think people just want it over, though when the realisation dawns that a terrible mistake has been made then maybe they will yearn for a second referendum. Yes indeed; the uncertainty is not good for the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 by and large they haven't spent the last 40 years intermingling their economies with the EU though well, i rather hope that it doesn't happen, but at the minute it seems we have choice between a) american client state or b) zero rights tax haven for the wealthy neither are particularly appealing We shall be an independent but outward looking sovereign nation. No more and no less. You will be pleasently surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelFargate Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yes indeed; the uncertainty is not good for the economy. At least some of the uncertainty is being generated by hard core remainers, who will it seems to everything they can to prevent a clean Brexit, a situation compounded by the ideologues and hard liners in the EU, who will also put as many obstacles as they can along the way to the exit door. A war on two fronts is never easy, but May's speech last Tuesday indicated that she is up for the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 At least some of the uncertainty is being generated by hard core remainers, who will it seems to everything they can to prevent a clean Brexit, a situation compounded by the ideologues and hard liners in the EU, who will also put as many obstacles as they can along the way to the exit door. A war on two fronts is never easy, but May's speech last Tuesday indicated that she is up for the fight. No,the EU and the UK have always been in agreement,no cherry picking and out means out,there's no war and no obstacles,the EU have been kept waiting by the UK,it's the UK that has indicated that it wants to get access to the single market when they can just walk away now with the clean Brexit that Brexiteers want and start negotiating trade deals around the world,therefore,any obstacles are being created by the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 At least some of the uncertainty is being generated by hard core remainers, who will it seems to everything they can to prevent a clean Brexit, a situation compounded by the ideologues and hard liners in the EU, who will also put as many obstacles as they can along the way to the exit door. A war on two fronts is never easy, but May's speech last Tuesday indicated that she is up for the fight. The remainers might be your bogey men; but this mess has been caused by a non-binding referendum without any clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The remainers might be your bogey men; but this mess has been caused by a non-binding referendum without any clarity. I agree and that is the fault of our very own parliament and its MP's. What interests me though is why no one in the stay camp challenged that before the referendum and only decided to bring it up after they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I agree and that is the fault of our very own parliament and its MP's. What interests me though is why no one in the stay camp challenged that before the referendum and only decided to bring it up after they lost. Nobody thought we'd leave! I wish we wouldn't but this country needs another hate filled referendum like it needs a hole in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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