The Consequences of Brexit (part 2)

[Jacktari]

I was replaying primarily to Flexo.

 

You're perfectly entitled to tell politicians who bleated on about immigration that they're responsible for creating an atmosphere where people don't want to migrate here.

 

I don't agree with your characterisation of the government position though. It's been about gaining full independence.

 

Now you are independent what are you going to do?

 

Not reams of figures and quotes and jargon and saying how well capitalists and bankers will be well off.

 

What, really and definitely, can this little backwater nation actually do?

[NigelFargate]

The poster with the queue of migrants on it was vile.

He tried to make the whole thing about immigration. I wanted to talk about sovereignty and democratic accountability, as I think did a lot of people.

Now all of us who argued for leave, have to live with an association in the Zeitgeist with a mass of xenophobic drivel.

 

The issue of immigration resonated with many voters and it was perfectly legitimate of the Leave.EU campaign to raise it. Moreover, it was the one issue that the Remain campaign never found an answer to. Try as they might, they could not find a plausible counter to the claim that, as long as the UK remains in the EU, free movement from the other member states cannot be effectively controlled. Farage skewered Clegg on this very issue during the famous debate between the two and he did it time and again during the campaign.

 

Meanwhile, the members of the Vote Leave campaign lifted their noses in the air, whilst occupying the 'higher moral ground', and waffled on about sovereignty and economic statistics (topics the Remain side felt comfortable about). I am convinced that, had it not been for the Leave.EU campaign, the referendum would have been lost.

 

Leave.EU let the elephant into the room be seen and no amount of second guessing now will remove it.

Edited February 14, 2017 by NigelFargate

[harvey19]

We can priorotise degree courses which teach people the skills needed where we have shortages.

We can bring back proper apprenticeships in skills where we have a shortage.

We can get rid of the culture of blaming everyone else for our problems.

[truman]

We can priorotise degree courses which teach people the skills needed where we have shortages.

We can bring back proper apprenticeships in skills where we have a shortage.

 

At what cost to UK Plc? How will you persuade people to do the courses...?

[Obelix]

We can priorotise degree courses which teach people the skills needed where we have shortages.

We can bring back proper apprenticeships in skills where we have a shortage.

We can get rid of the culture of blaming everyone else for our problems.

 

Not in the timeframe you have left you can't

[Flexo]

We can priorotise degree courses which teach people the skills needed where we have shortages.

We can bring back proper apprenticeships in skills where we have a shortage.

 

Nice fantasy but we'll have to do something about the Tories first. They slashed nurse training a few years ago and we are now seeing the ramifications of that in the NHS staffing crisis.

 

They intended to use immigration instead because we can import 3 nurses for the price of training one.

 

We can get rid of the culture of blaming everyone else for our problems.

 

Scapegoating the EU has been a favourite habit of politicians, even when it was the British who drafted the EU legislation.

[harvey19]

Not in the timeframe you have left you can't

 

I was replying to post 3422

 

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At what cost to UK Plc? How will you persuade people to do the courses...?

Reduce the fees for appropriate courses.

[Flexo]

Reduce the fees for appropriate courses.

 

Oi! Stop spending bits of that £350 million per week promised to the NHS already!

[harvey19]

Nice fantasy but we'll have to do something about the Tories first. They slashed nurse training a few years ago and we are now seeing the ramifications of that in the NHS staffing crisis.

 

They intended to use immigration instead because we can import 3 nurses for the price of training one.

 

 

 

Scapegoating the EU has been a favourite habit of politicians, even when it was the British who drafted the EU legislation.

 

We haven't been training enough medical staff for many a year. We need to stop this political football being used to accuse one party or the other and get on with the job.

How can other countries train more doctors and nurses than they need and we can't train enough ?

 

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Oi! Stop spending bits of that £350 million per week promised to the NHS already!

 

Nice one !

[L00b]

How can other countries train more doctors and nurses than they need and we can't train enough ?

The answer was in the quote:

They intended to use immigration instead because we can import 3 nurses for the price of training one.

 

These 'other countries' were supplying, so long as the UK was buying.

 

But the signal perceived from the UK on the Continent, is that the UK doesn't want them any more. New ones or those already here.

 

So these 'other countries' will now keep them and train less of them (and/or will keep exporting them to the next buying country...I hear Oz, Canada and the Emirates are still big takers).