A better referendum?

[Flanker7]

Posted by Flanker7

Have a go Penistone. Leave won the referendum, now say something constructive.

What immigration controls do you want to have.

 

If PM May's team fail to come up with them do you want another referendum to refuse them a mandate.

By the way the last referendum wasn't about immigration.

 

No it wasnt ,but while ever we were in the EU we had to abide by their moronic open borders policy and free movement of people. This was a big factor in many people voting leave.

 

Chucking the muck is easy, as are cheap insults.

 

Last chance - something constructive please.

[Fogey]

So why do you think wages and disposable income have not kept up, since the recession, which you indicated. Why have house building programs always been stalled, as you know more house capacity cheaper houses, so why?

 

Wages and disposable income dipped during and immediately after the recession but have started to rise again. As for why successive governments have failed to deal with the housing crisis, my guess is our government (any party) probably doesn't want a showdown with existing homeowners, developers, mortgage lenders, e.t.c. who all benefit from higher house prices.

[area 51]

Who's going to feel that punishment most? David Cameron or you?

 

Makes no difference to me i have had a crap time for the last 18 years.As i mentioned earlier my mortgage is paid for and i can manage alright,i am just going to be working a lot longer than i expected too.My pension disappeared with the company i worked for and all the investments i had for my retirement mostly disappeared in the financial crisis.If brexit works great if it doesnt so be it,either way ill survive if the long hours i work dont kill me.

[phil752]

Wages and disposable income dipped during and immediately after the recession but have started to rise again. As for why successive governments have failed to deal with the housing crisis, my guess is our government (any party) probably doesn't want a showdown with existing homeowners, developers, mortgage lenders, e.t.c. who all benefit from higher house prices.

 

I quite agree with you, well i don't think wages disposable income has got any better for the masses since the recession. how ever the latter is spot on, putting people into negative equity and such. Going back to our earlier thread, these are the university educated people that you said know better, who we should listen to. There will be not extensive house building for at least a generation for your reasons. So who are the populous to believe in any debate other than as i said earlier, its what affects them.

Edited October 22, 2016 by phil752

[Fogey]

I quite agree with you, well i don't think wages disposable income has got any better for the masses since the recession. how ever the latter is spot on, putting people into negative equity and such. Going back to our earlier thread, these are the university educated people that you said know better, who we should listen to. There will be not extensive house building for at least a generation for your reasons. So who are the populous to believe in any debate other than as i said earlier, its what affects them.

 

Specifically these are the politicians who must win votes or deny votes to others to stay or get in to power. They do so by pandering to the biggest groups of people through populist campaigns. Campaigns that point blame at other groups of people such as single mothers, immigrants, people claiming benefits e.t.c. These are people like Boris Johnson who thought it was easier to manipulate a bunch of people looking for a protest vote because they were ignorant of the truth of what the EU is or does and couldn't be bothered to check the claptrap they spouted. And because ignorant people continue to believe the rubbish that such politicians spout instead of challenging it the politicians continue to spout it it to get into power.

So we have voted to leave the EU because a majority of people literally voted for all the wrong reasons, lies, or on the basis of completely separate issues altogether, such as spite and resentment over matters that have little or nothing to do with the EU.

[phil752]

Specifically these are the politicians who must win votes or deny votes to others to stay or get in to power. They do so by pandering to the biggest groups of people through populist campaigns. Campaigns that point blame at other groups of people such as single mothers, immigrants, people claiming benefits e.t.c. These are people like Boris Johnson who thought it was easier to manipulate a bunch of people looking for a protest vote because they were ignorant of the truth of what the EU is or does and couldn't be bothered to check the claptrap they spouted. And because ignorant people continue to believe the rubbish that such politicians spout instead of challenging it the politicians continue to spout it it to get into power.

So we have voted to leave the EU because a majority of people literally voted for all the wrong reasons, lies, or on the basis of completely separate issues altogether, such as spite and resentment over matters that have little or nothing to do with the EU.

 

I quite agree not unlike the lies that Cameron said when, he came back with the great deal from the EU

 

it not just politicians, grants, funding are given to so called academic's to skew the fact,

Edited October 27, 2016 by phil752