Lets Ban it (title too short)

[Danny_Boy]

I don't like fireworks they're an annoying waste of money in my opinion and frighten the life out of animals. But I wouldn't ban them obviously some people like them (I can't fathom why). Be safer and more appropriate in my opinion if they were limited to organised shows etc.

[melthebell]

Indeed we do but out of choice... and it should remain that way.

id say its more than choice, its an inbuilt human mechanism so we dont go round randomly offending everybody left right and centre

[monkey104]

Did I miss something? I could have sworn I posted on topic about licensing people to buy fireworks.

Was it something I said or someone else?

[woahthere]

And in that post you expose your own bias and double standards.

 

There are people on both sides of the political spectrum that would happily suppress freedom of speech to suit their own agenda. But you only see fault on one side. You ignore liberal/left calls for people to be sacked or removed from office for their opinions whilst slamming 'right wing' media for doing the same and look forward to their freedom of speech being suppressed. You occupy the same moral low ground.

 

Are you ok with those calling for the downfall of the west and it's values? It's free speech so I guess so.

[Zamo]

Sacked or removed from office is an entirely appropriate thing to happen to an MP or public servant for having certain opinions that don't align with the electorates views, the law or the role they fulfil.

 

It is entirely appropriate for the electorate to sack MP's but not for a politically correct elite to call for their demise because they have dared to say something that offends their beliefs.

 

Are you ok with those calling for the downfall of the west and it's values? It's free speech so I guess so.

 

You guess right. As long as they do not overstep the mark by breaching laws re the incitement of crime then they should be free to offend. Banning the causing of offence is an attempt to silent debate and it is both idiotic and futile.

[Cyclone]

So are you saying that the politically correct elite should be censored? It certainly looks like it. They shouldn't be allowed to call for their demise (are we killing them now?) because they were offended... You seem conflicted.

[Zamo]

So are you saying that the politically correct elite should be censored? It certainly looks like it. They shouldn't be allowed to call for their demise (are we killing them now?) because they were offended... You seem conflicted.

 

I'm saying that it is inappropriate for the politically correct elite to decide the fate of MP's because it is a matter for the electorate. They are of course free to voice their opinion but extrajudicial/extra-electoral removal of people from office (which is so frequently the call) for failing the politically correct standards demanded by a self-appointed elite is wrong.

 

And, in case you were unaware, the word 'demise' has several meaning of which 'death' is but one. You make yourself look silly not me.

[Cyclone]

So you want them to shut up? Or are they allowed to have and share an opinion?

 

"Call for" was what you wanted them to stop doing... So that's expressing an opinion isn't it? The thing you were just arguing that everyone should be allowed to...

 

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Who ARE the politically correct elite that you think should be silenced anyway? Because it started off as being a bunch of newspapers I think...

 

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And in what way does "calling for" actually "decide". Basically you'd like them to stop sharing their opinion. Which is ironic, given that you were just arguing for freedom of speech and how other people only want it for some. Hoist by your own petard I believe.

 

Oh, and demise, it pretty much means death if applied to a person.

demise

dɪˈmʌɪz/Submit

noun

1.

a person's death.

"Mr Grisenthwaite's tragic demise"

synonyms: death, dying, passing, passing away, passing on, loss of life, expiry, expiration, end, departure from life, final exit; More

2.

LAW

conveyance or transfer of property or a title by will or lease.

verbLAW

1.

convey or grant (an estate) by will or lease.

"the manor and the mill were demised for twenty-one-year terms"

Edited October 25, 2016 by Cyclone

[woahthere]

I'm saying that it is inappropriate for the politically correct elite to decide the fate of MP's because it is a matter for the electorate. They are of course free to voice their opinion but extrajudicial/extra-electoral removal of people from office (which is so frequently the call) for failing the politically correct standards demanded by a self-appointed elite is wrong.

 

And, in case you were unaware, the word 'demise' has several meaning of which 'death' is but one. You make yourself look silly not me.

 

Give over with the 'elite' tag it's lazy. It's the non-pc crowds version of a lefty liberal shouting 'racist' at everything.

 

Anyway, yeah people that say daft and hateful stuff should be held to account. You can have these debates about migration etc without resorting to the sort of vile guff that get spouted.

 

Politicians are in a position of responsibility and influence so rightly should be more careful about what they say.

 

Freedom to say what you want is one thing, but when it is isolates and hurts others it's not as noble as you think it is.

[Cyclone]

Or, politicians are free to say "check their teeth", and every right minded person in the country is then free to say "sack the idiot". Free speech for the win.