No Orgreave inquiry

[El Cid]

Once again, it's so sad to see the same dismissive reasons that so hampered the Hillsborough campaign reheated here. The lesson from Hillsborough could not be more obvious yet so many have learned nothing.

 

You get the leadership you deserve and standards here are pitifully, shamefully low.

 

I don't see a need for an inquiry in regard to the police, most people can put 2 and 2 together.

 

But any inquiry would most likely point the finger at Thatcher, she is seen as a God, and the Tories do not want her image tarnished.

Cabinet papers for that period have been with held, even past the 30 year disclosure.

 

There should be no secrets from over 30 years ago, unless we were at war. But perhaps Thatcher was?

[mikem8634]

Hillsborough: 96 innocent people dead.

Orgreave: None dead, 93 union thugs arrested, more policemen injured than union thugs, no convictions to review anyway. Police mistakes already exposed.

 

There's no comparison.

It would be more useful to investigate the trade unions for organising it in the first place.

 

It has already been established that death is not a necessary factor for an inquiry.

 

The fact that you so willingly use obviously loaded language - thugs vs. mistakes - adds to the case for an inquiry. Why should the record not be definitively set straight?

 

You generally strike me as a pretty reasonable poster, you know you cannot say with any certainty whatsoever that all that there is to discover has been discovered.

 

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I don't see a need for an inquiry in regard to the police, most people can put 2 and 2 together.

 

But any inquiry would most likely point the finger at Thatcher, she is seen as a God, and the Tories do not want her image tarnished.

Cabinet papers for that period have been with held, even past the 30 year disclosure.

 

There should be no secrets from over 30 years ago, unless we were at war. But perhaps Thatcher was?

 

Possibly so.

 

At the very least, regarding SYP, the pressure to radically reform could be increased.

Edited November 1, 2016 by mikem8634

[banjodeano]

what i find puzzling is, why there are so many people on here that have no qualms that the police lied and doctored evidence, as if it should be just accepted and we all carry on as normal,

[unbeliever]

It has already been established that death is not a necessary factor for an inquiry.

 

The fact that you so willingly use obviously loaded language - thugs vs. mistakes - adds to the case for an inquiry. Why should the record not be definitively set straight?

 

You generally strike me as a pretty reasonable poster, you know you cannot say with any certainty whatsoever that all that there is to discover has been discovered.

 

 

Loaded language? That's a joke right?

Do you know anything about this incident at all?

[tinfoilhat]

what i find puzzling is, why there are so many people on here that have no qualms that the police lied and doctored evidence, as if it should be just accepted and we all carry on as normal,

 

But it's 30 years ago! New policemen, new procedures. Small matter of hillsborough inquirey cleaning house too.

 

And whys it taken so long?

[mikem8634]

But it's 30 years ago! New policemen, new procedures. Small matter of hillsborough inquirey cleaning house too.

 

Why should accountability for Hillsborough (not that we have that yet) somehow equal accountability for an entirely different event?*

 

Are SYP asking for other offences to be taken into account now?

 

 

*Obviously that only applies if there is evidence of something to be accountable for.

 

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Loaded language? That's a joke right?

Do you know anything about this incident at all?

 

A joke? Far from it. You have just called tampering with evidence a mistake.

Edited November 1, 2016 by mikem8634

[banjodeano]

And whys it taken so long?

 

i suppose its taken so long, so they can say "it was too long ago"

[monkey104]

Maybe the enquiry could focus on the violence meted out by the miners and their illegal actions vis a vis threats and assaults on suspected ' scabs ' and their families.

What about the person who died when strikers dropped a block of concrete on his car or the numerous assaults on police themselves.

[mikem8634]

Maybe the enquiry could focus on the violence meted out by the miners and their illegal actions vis a vis threats and assaults on suspected ' scabs ' and their families.

What about the person who died when strikers dropped a block of concrete on his car or the numerous assaults on police themselves.

 

Any open inquiry should follow the evidence no matter where it leads.

[banjodeano]

Maybe the enquiry could focus on the violence meted out by the miners and their illegal actions vis a vis threats and assaults on suspected ' scabs ' and their families.

What about the person who died when strikers dropped a block of concrete on his car or the numerous assaults on police themselves.

yup, they went before the courts and got sent to prison...what about the policemen who attacked people protesting and caused a riot, what about bystanders in the street who got attacked and were not even connected with the strike