geared Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 But this notion that the miners were asking for it and the police were whiter than white is ludicrous. It's already known that that narrative is incorrect, that neither side came out smelling of roses. The inquiry won't show anything new, it's already known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 How many people are permitted on an official picket line? Precisly. That many miners turning up and admitting they were there to block the Queens highway is not acceptable. This just happened to be the time the police changed tactics and the miners didn't like one bit - so much so they are still whining about it three decades later. The rest of the world got on with their lives. Wasn't Scargill mislead into thinking Orgreave was more strategically important than it was? And that's why so many turned up? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:12 ---------- It's already known that that narrative is incorrect, that neither side came out smelling of roses. The inquiry won't show anything new, it's already known. I agree. But after Hillsborough it was evident this would get raked up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On the news last night they spoke to two miners and a police officer who was there. The police officer said they were told what words they had to include in their statements, which, he said was wrong and that this had never happened before. If what he says is true then it should be investigated as it seems they only wanted the statements to contain what was dictated to the officers. Why? Whats the point?? Everyone involved is long since retired or dead No-one was actually prosecuted in the end as the trials collapsed All parties were compensated The police don't work that way now anyway I don't see what is to be gained by going over it all again? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:17 ---------- I agree. But after Hillsborough it was evident this would get raked up again. True but innocent people died at Hillsborough and the police tried very hard to cover up their mistakes alter the narrative of events. The inquiry was needed to get all the evidence into the public domain and really set the record straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Wasn't Scargill mislead into thinking Orgreave was more strategically important than it was? And that's why so many turned up? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:12 ---------- I agree. But after Hillsborough it was evident this would get raked up again. So it's OK for them to turn up because it was a mistake? Wow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I don't actually think it's necessary. Compensation has been paid and the trials collapsed. But this notion that the miners were asking for it and the police were whiter than white is ludicrous. Pointing out that the narrative the BBC showed at the time was chronologically misleading is fair IMHO. Maybe an investigation into the BBC (and media in general) should be in order then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 So it's OK for them to turn up because it was a mistake? Wow.... Is that what I said? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:23 ---------- Maybe an investigation into the BBC (and media in general) should be in order then. I'm not sure there was malicious intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Is that what I said? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:23 ---------- I'm not sure there was malicious intent. Why bring it up then? If they didn't show t accurately, its either slipshod (very possible) or a deliberate slant to colour opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansheff Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Why? Whats the point?? Everyone involved is long since retired or dead No-one was actually prosecuted in the end as the trials collapsed All parties were compensated The police don't work that way now anyway I don't see what is to be gained by going over it all again? ---------- Post added 31-10-2016 at 16:17 ---------- True but innocent people died at Hillsborough and the police tried very hard to cover up their mistakes alter the narrative of events. The inquiry was needed to get all the evidence into the public domain and really set the record straight. Because it smacks of a cover up if they told officers what to put, if there was nothing to hide why not let the officers write their statement in their own words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Because it smacks of a cover up if they told officers what to put, if there was nothing to hide why not let the officers write their statement in their own words? All the miners were told not to say anything - can't they make their own minds up. They were then probably legally advised exactly the same by the police if they were arrested.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Why bring it up then? If they didn't show t accurately, its either slipshod (very possible) or a deliberate slant to colour opinions. It was in response to Randy's comment. Some people don't know the broadcast was in the wrong order that's all. But I thought most did now. I'm not having a pop at the Beeb as being an instrument of Thatcher's state or anything mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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