When will the political left change/learn?

[*_ash_*]

There are so many threads about today's result. No point adding anything,

 

but just watching The Last Leg: US election special on 4, and I think Richard Osman summed it up.

[taxman]

Spot on penistone, as the OP, this thread has been taken on by the leftys as I thought it would you can literally write the thread before any replies have been posted. They just won't learn. This isn't a vote for white mans privilege this isn't a vote for racism and this isn't a vote for pro homophobic or sexist views as the leftys will have you believe, this is a vote against the globalised movement of people that the west just can't sustain while keeping living standards up for the already residing people, this is a vote against authoritarian liberals who constantly cry all the buzz words I mentioned in my OP.

 

The future is bright. Orange

 

But Trump is the personification of privilege, of globalisation (just look at who he employs in his hotels). If you really think he gives a toss about poor, working class whites then you don't understand a billionaire who has managed to bankrupt then phoenix his companies, avoid tax (whilst everyone else pays it), but then claims he's on the side of the "workers". The only workers he likes are the ones whose pussies he can grab.

[melthebell]

After the economic meltdown of 2008, many, many people have got poorer but a lot wiser.

 

They have found out just how the deck is stacked against them, amongst other things, and how the rich can get away with murder, while they have to pay. 'Criminal' behaviour has been rewarded, but hard work no longer is.

 

The gap between rich and poor has become very real and goes against people's innate sense of justice. I've been saying it since 2008, they should have jailed the bankers and cleaned their house while they still had chance. Now we have Trump, Brexit and heaven knows what next.

 

Do they get it yet?

no they dont, BOTh sets of results clearly show that the stupid majority think its white versus, black, us versus those nasty foriegners, christians versus muslims when in fact its a class war NOT a race war. the small percentage hold most of the money while we scrabble about fighting for crumbs that fall from the rich mans table and fighting against each other, divided on race and religious lines.

[flamingjimmy]

Isn't it amazing, to have so many political experts in just one forum?!

 

Hey at least there's more than there soon will be in the oval office! *zing*

 

---------- Post added 09-11-2016 at 23:29 ----------

 

Just as we had after Brexit , the liberal elite are already labelling Trump voters as racists , bigots and uneducated.

 

How condescending can these leftie idiots be ?

 

Well to be fair in this case they did actually vote for a racist bigot, and if you look at the stats the better educated people were the more likely they were not to vote for Trump, so it's not really that unreasonable. Condescending, yes, and probably not productive, but not unreasonable.

Edited November 9, 2016 by flamingjimmy

[Penistone999]

no they dont, BOTh sets of results clearly show that the stupid majority think its white versus, black, us versus those nasty foriegners, christians versus muslims when in fact its a class war NOT a race war. the small percentage hold most of the money while we scrabble about fighting for crumbs that fall from the rich mans table and fighting against each other, divided on race and religious lines.

 

Why is it the lefties just cannot accept the will of the majority without labelling anyone who goes against " the liberal elite " as racists ?

[26b-6]

Why is it the lefties just cannot accept the will of the majority without labelling anyone who goes against " the liberal elite " as racists ?

 

If they don’t learn now they never will. Trump is a creation of the fascist left, for far too long they have abruptly silenced ordinary peoples thoughts, concerns, language, behaviour, dismissed almost everything as some type of prejudiced nonsensical-ism. Trumpism is the backlash.

 

---------- Post added 10-11-2016 at 02:50 ----------

 

But Trump is the personification of privilege, of globalisation (just look at who he employs in his hotels). If you really think he gives a toss about poor, working class whites then you don't understand a billionaire who has managed to bankrupt then phoenix his companies, avoid tax (whilst everyone else pays it), but then claims he's on the side of the "workers". The only workers he likes are the ones whose pussies he can grab.

 

And Wall-Street elitist poster girl Saudi Oil sucking Killary cares? Trump wants make America more attractive for investments such as manufacturing, and limit illegal immigration which drives down wages. Billionaire business entrepreneurs like Trump are often the ones who can produce change, because they know the underlying mechanics of how things work.

Edited November 10, 2016 by 26b-6

[Bob Arctor]

Billionaire business entrepreneurs like Trump are often the ones who can produce change, because they know the underlying mechanics of how things work.

 

Do you mean because they are connected to key decision makers and influential people both inside and outside politics and have that insider's knowledge of how things work behind the scenes that most of us don't have?

[biotechpete]

Why is it the lefties just cannot accept the will of the majority without labelling anyone who goes against " the liberal elite " as racists ?

 

Because part of the campaigns of Farage and Trump alike are undoubtedly based in racist ideals. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

Nonetheless it's still dangerous to conflate democracy and populism. Marches against our judiciary are not the answer no matter what the problem. When you have candidates like Trump who have policies such as a ban on all muslims, which is unconstitutional, or May trying to sideline the democratic processes of parliament grabbing powers to which the executive are not entitled, where populists like you undermine our guarantees of freedom - separation of powers, rule of law or due process - because they are inconvenient to your goals then we are all in a very dangerous position indeed.

[Michael_W]

But Trump is the personification of privilege, of globalisation (just look at who he employs in his hotels). If you really think he gives a toss about poor, working class whites then you don't understand a billionaire who has managed to bankrupt then phoenix his companies, avoid tax (whilst everyone else pays it), but then claims he's on the side of the "workers". The only workers he likes are the ones whose pussies he can grab.

 

Nobody gives a toss about the working class whites as you call them, too many socialist politicians have concentrated their efforts on minority issues over the years both locally and internationally which itself has created the rise and popularity of Farage and Trump !

[sgtkate]

But Trump is the personification of privilege, of globalisation (just look at who he employs in his hotels). If you really think he gives a toss about poor, working class whites then you don't understand a billionaire who has managed to bankrupt then phoenix his companies, avoid tax (whilst everyone else pays it), but then claims he's on the side of the "workers". The only workers he likes are the ones whose pussies he can grab.

 

And people who voted for Trump on the basis that he's on the side of the 'working man' wonder we think they are utter, utter tools.

 

If you voted for Trump because you believe in what he says and stands for then that's fine, that's clearly your prerogative, but the vote for him because you believe he gives 1 f**k about the poor neglected white man from the bible belt then there are no words.

 

Exactly the same about those who voted for Brexit. If you voted to leave the EU because you disagree with it's policies (and can actually name some), or what it stands for then again that's cool. We can just disagree and get on with our lives, but if you voted because you somehow think that leaving the EU will actually improve your life because of half-baked xenophobia and believing lies then you are indeed a tool.

 

I'm targeting Brexiters and Trump supporters solely as they won. The same is true of anyone who votes for anything without actually understanding what they are voting for. Supporting Hillary would have meant a acceptance of a ruling elite, exceptionally dubious usage of email, someone who almost blackmailed women who made allegations against her husband etc. She's not snow white in anyway and the choice was between crap and crapper.

 

I just get so angry with people who vote for something without really understanding in anyway what they are voting for except soundbites from politicians they've picked up for the TV or papers. I'm starting to wonder if we should change the entire way we vote into you have to vote for the policies you support the most without party names and then that gets turned into a vote for the party of whom you align with the most closely. That would stop this pathetic voting for 'the same as my dad did and his dad before him' culture and also the people who would refuse to vote for party because of history.

 

Rant over.