geared Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11535143&postcount=150 I don't think repeating your own opinions is much of an answer. Edited November 18, 2016 by geared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 They would be charged with dangerous driving. No they wouldn't. The law states someone is driving dangerous if "the way he/she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver, and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous" There is nothing dangerous at all about driving up the side of a slow moving queue of cars at a modestly faster speed. (There is about pulling out without warning into such a queue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/answers/can-you-overtake-on-the-nearside-of-another-vehicle Overtaking on the nearside (left) is legally acceptable if you are driving on a multi-lane carriageway in congested conditions, and the lane to the left is moving at a faster speed than lanes to the right. In these circumstances overtaking on the left is permissible although extra caution is needed for an awareness of other vehicles moving to the faster lane on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 If people allow a "merge in turn" instead of trying to "protect" " their" bit of the road there'd be no issues at all... I agree, and most drivers will allow other drivers to merge, its the drivers that don't want to merge early and prefer to jump the queue that cause the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Oh, are we quoting the HC? Rule 163: - stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I agree, and most drivers will allow other drivers to merge, its the drivers that don't want to merge early and prefer to jump the queue that cause the problem. You merge at the merge point. The point in which two lanes become one. If you merge before that you're not really merging at all, you're just changing lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) No they wouldn't. The law states someone is driving dangerous if "the way he/she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver, and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous" There is nothing dangerous at all about driving up the side of a slow moving queue of cars at a modestly faster speed. (There is about pulling out without warning into such a queue). Undertaking at speed is dangerous and in the video I posted the drivers unlawfully undertaking were driving at speed with the intention of queue jumping. ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 11:04 ---------- You merge at the merge point. The point in which two lanes become one. If you merge before that you're not really merging at all, you're just changing lanes. You merge when it is safest to merge, leaving until the last few meters isn't the safest point to merge, and overtaking when there is no safe gap to enter is bad driving. ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 11:06 ---------- Oh, are we quoting the HC? Rule 163: - stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left. That's correct, but it is dependent on both lanes moving slowly, if only the right lane is moving slowly then overtaking on the left is unlawful. Edited November 18, 2016 by Petminder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 You merge when it is safest to merge, leaving until the last few meters isn't the safest point to merge, and overtaking when there is no safe gap to enter is bad driving. Undertaking or overtaking?? You're confusing yourself now :loopy: Once again you merge at the merge point, otherwise you're changing lanes. merge verb combine or cause to combine to form a single entity. People can and will switch lanes at any point, but to prevent someone merging because they have chosen to do so at the merge point is idiotic. I'm sure we all know what sort of person you are now!! ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 11:09 ---------- That's correct, but it is dependent on both lanes moving slowly, if only the right lane is moving slowly then overtaking on the left is unlawful. What law has been broken?? You're making it up now, really it's pathetic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Undertaking at speed is dangerous. It really isn't. I'll ask again for the law that says it is..... tumbleweed..... ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 11:16 ---------- You merge when it is safest to merge, ...... That's correct, but it is dependent on both lanes moving slowly, if only the right lane is moving slowly then overtaking on the left is unlawful. You really seriously need to take a driving test. I hope you don't have a licence already with that sort of attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 The CPS say this The offence of dangerous driving under section 2 of the RTA 1988 is committed when a persons standard of driving falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver Section 2A(2) of the RTA 1988 provides that a person is to be regarded as driving dangerously if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous. There is no statutory definition of what is meant by "far below" but "dangerous" must refer to danger of personal injury or of serious damage to property - Section 2A(3) of the RTA 1988. If for example you undertook a line of traffic at 60-70mph AND then cut right in front of someone forcing them to make an emergency stop THAT would be dangerous driving. but if you passed the traffic at a more reasonable speed and then calmly merged that is perfectly acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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