Obelix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Proof it causes more accidents Smithy? Proof it's lower in efficiency please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 By your argument above no matter where I merge I cause everyone to stop 100 yards behind me. People slow down behind the point of merge not in front, and the closer to the front you go the more people you affect. I get that when you see queue you don't want to add to its length, so you incorrectly assume that if you push in you don't increase its length, if there are 10 people in a queue and you join it at the back there are now 11 people in the queue, no matter where you push into the queue there will still be 11 people in the queue, if you join the back everyone is happy apart from you, if you push in some will be angry and may well do what the driver did on the video, or in a shop they might even force you back out of the queue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 People don't slow when others merge in though. As in my evidence above. Proof that it causes inefficiency? And please drop the shop strawman it's irrelevant as you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 If it ever became official policy then it would be wise to put signs up. The problem we have at the moment is that the majority do it in a way that is expected whilst a minority disagree and want to do it in away they believe to be more efficient, this unfortunately leads to lower efficiency and more accidents. You claim you represent the majority, but the evidence of this thread would suggest otherwise wouldn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodie Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 The sheer volume of traffic will cause a queue wherever 2 lanes make 1 whether that be 800 yards or a merge point. A gradual build up is inevitable due to some law that can't be changed, physics or similar I think I think the ridiculous amount of pages for this gone off topic is causing a queue somewhere else on the forum. Hope the mods make it merge in turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 You claim you represent the majority, but the evidence of this thread would suggest otherwise wouldn't it... If your opinion was a majority opinion we wouldn't be having this discussion because there would be no single file queues of traffic or queue jumpers, everyone would be driving the same as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 If your opinion was the majority there wouldn't be only Justin agreeing with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 How does you rushing to the front of the queue and pushing in increase traffic flow past the obstruction? Strawman again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 People don't slow when others merge in though. As in my evidence above. Proof that it causes inefficiency? And please drop the shop strawman it's irrelevant as you know. If you always jump the queue you wouldn't know, have you never had to slow down when someone pulls in front of you? Ten people in a queue waiting to go through a narrow door, you decide that you don't want to wait so you go to the front, best possible outcome is everyone is happy that you pushed in and efficiency remains the same, the same number of people get through the door, you a lot faster than you would have if you had joined the queue and everyone else a little slower. But then everyone might not be happy with you pushing in so it causes conflict which results in lower efficiency as one or more try to get through the door at the same time. Ten people running towards the door at the same time would be very inefficient, much more efficient if they form a singe file queue and go through in turn. Please explain why you think pushing in increase efficiency without causing conflict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Assertions are not proof. Please provide proof of your assertions or they will be dismissed for being meritless and baseless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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