50 mps going to vote no to article 50

[apelike]

Sorry but that is nonsense. If there were no conditions or criteria then how can it automatically mean the most extreme form of one of many flavours of Brexit.

 

Because there was no such thing as "flavours of Brexit" or "Hard or Soft Brexit" as voting leave automatically included all options. When Parliament voted in the referendum act it did not include any options or criteria, only a vote to stay or leave. That then puts how/what terms we leave at the mercy of the government.

 

You wouldn't argue that a remain majority would have automatically meant hard remain with removal of opt-outs on Schengen etc.. and adoption of the Euro.

 

Even if we had carried on as a member of the EU will would not adopt the Euro as it would not be in our interest to do so. Apart from the fact that the great majority of the people in the UK want to keep the pound.

[I1L2T3]

Because there was no such thing as "flavours of Brexit" or "Hard or Soft Brexit" as voting leave automatically included all options. When Parliament voted in the referendum act it did not include any options or criteria, only a vote to stay or leave. That then puts how/what terms we leave at the mercy of the government.

 

Even if we had carried on as a member of the EU will would not adopt the Euro as it would not be in our interest to do so. Apart from the fact that the great majority of the people in the UK want to keep the pound.

 

Bit in bold. Actually it doesn't. Parliament is sovereign in this matter.

 

Yes the hard remain example is extreme but to a lot of people hard Brexit is too. Recent polling shows that there is quite low support for unconditional Brexit.

[Gamston]

Bit in bold. Actually it doesn't. Parliament is sovereign in this matter.

 

Yes the hard remain example is extreme but to a lot of people hard Brexit is too. Recent polling shows that there is quite low support for unconditional Brexit.

Recent polling shows they are not very accurate, otherwise the UK would be staying in the EU and Mrs Clinton would be Madame President Elect.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Gamston

[apelike]

Bit in bold. Actually it doesn't. Parliament is sovereign in this matter.

 

All the high court stated is that parliament must get to vote on the triggering of A50, which is the sovereign bit. How and on what terms we leave is then up for discussion after.

Edited November 15, 2016 by apelike

[phil752]

Bit in bold. Actually it doesn't. Parliament is sovereign in this matter.

 

Yes the hard remain example is extreme but to a lot of people hard Brexit is too. Recent polling shows that there is quite low support for unconditional Brexit.

 

I don't understand what you mean by unconditional brexit or is it conditional brexit

Edited November 16, 2016 by phil752

[I1L2T3]

I don't understand what you mean by unconditional brexit or is it conditional brexit

 

The polling is described here:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-one-third-voters-support-deal-unconditionally-a7414931.html

 

I took it to mean executive decisions resting with government alone, and the drive currently seems to be hard Brexit with Johnson only yesterday indicating that means leaving the customs union.

 

That approach does not appear to have overwhelming public support.

[Gamston]

The polling is described here:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-one-third-voters-support-deal-unconditionally-a7414931.html

 

I took it to mean executive decisions resting with government alone, and the drive currently seems to be hard Brexit with Johnson only yesterday indicating that means leaving the customs union.

 

That approach does not appear to have overwhelming public support.

Polling of this nature are a complete waste of time because 48% of voters wanted to stay in the EU, which indicates to anyone with an ounce of common sense that any poll conducted about BREXIT will not receive overwhelming public support.

[Petminder]

The polling is described here:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-one-third-voters-support-deal-unconditionally-a7414931.html

 

I took it to mean executive decisions resting with government alone, and the drive currently seems to be hard Brexit with Johnson only yesterday indicating that means leaving the customs union.

 

That approach does not appear to have overwhelming public support.

 

YouGov: 47% of Britons want a 'hard' Brexit.

 

Only 39% said they would prefer a "soft" Brexit if faced with both options, in which Britain accepts a modified form of freedom of movement in order to remain in the single market.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-hard-brexit-has-widespread-support-2016-10

 

 

 

You also have to remember that polls said UK wanted to stay in the EU and the Americans didn't want Trump president.

Edited November 16, 2016 by Petminder

[TimmyR]

YouGov: 47% of Britons want a 'hard' Brexit.

 

Only 39% said they would prefer a "soft" Brexit if faced with both options, in which Britain accepts a modified form of freedom of movement in order to remain in the single market.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-hard-brexit-has-widespread-support-2016-10

 

 

 

You also have to remember that polls said UK wanted to stay in the EU and the Americans didn't want Trump president.

 

Polls are utterly meaningless. That has been proven too many times now. There should be an absolute stop to their use.

[I1L2T3]

Polling of this nature are a complete waste of time because 48% of voters wanted to stay in the EU, which indicates to anyone with an ounce of common sense that any poll conducted about BREXIT will not receive overwhelming public support.

 

It's a waste because you don't like the result?

 

Let's be clear. May is probably using polling to determine priorities in policy. Immigration is an important factor for sure, something that has been highlighted by polling and she is right to address it.

 

It seems that Merkel is softening her stance on free movement and there could be an olive branch on that issue. It could be that May gets concessions on that and can achieve an economically viable exit plan and address the key concern of many people.

 

As a form of soft Brexit I'd be happy with that: effective single market membership and free movement curtailed.