truman Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 it was one vote but the result counting came in from areas, they didn't bus all the voting slip to one counting station did they The votes weren't counted on a constituency basis..how can an MP know how his constituents voted? That what Litotes was talking about.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The votes weren't counted on a constituency basis..how can an MP know how his constituents voted? That what Litotes was talking about.. Because political parties had representatives at the count and, as each polling station's box was opened, sampling was done. This gave a pretty good idea of how each constituency voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The votes weren't counted on a constituency basis..how can an MP know how his constituents voted? That what Litotes was talking about.. i didn't think i said constituencies but area's, but from the areas in not hard to see what MPs represented what http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/leave-or-remain-eu-referendum-results-and-live-maps/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I blame the government for not being more transparent about what their plans are (or for having any plans in the first place) - this is causing uncertainty. The correct people to blame are the very MP's that took part in the original referendum debate and the Lords who passed the referendum act as it. They are the ones who created this mess not the government, the remainers or those who took it to the high court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I actually feel the same and I lay the blame at the remainers who bought the recent court case in regards to article 50. May wanted the court case and the appeal is manna from heaven. She doesn't have a plan and this buys more time. It's all a game mate. ---------- Post added 16-11-2016 at 19:57 ---------- I don't think they will try to block article 50, but they will try to stay in the EU through the back door, many MP's are so out of touch with the electorate and blind to what their constituents voted for, and hold the belief that they know best. They will try to keep us in in the belief that that is what most people want. It's their job to know best. That's what we elect them for. To represent us and to run the country, or hold the government to account. It's highly likely that whatever it is people think they voted for could turn out to be a really stupid idea. ---------- Post added 16-11-2016 at 20:05 ---------- The correct people to blame are the very MP's that took part in the original referendum debate and the Lords who passed the referendum act as it. They are the ones who created this mess not the government, the remainers or those who took it to the high court. Actually you need to be corrected on that. One of the lead litigants, Deir Dos Santos, actually voted to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 May wanted the court case and the appeal is manna from heaven. She doesn't have a plan and this buys more time. It's all a game mate. ---------- Post added 16-11-2016 at 19:57 ---------- It's their job to know best. That's what we elect them for. To represent us and to run the country, or hold the government to account. It's highly likely that whatever it is people think they voted for could turn out to be a really stupid idea. ---------- Post added 16-11-2016 at 20:05 ---------- Actually you need to be corrected on that. One of the lead litigants, Deir Dos Santos, actually voted to leave. The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons. Note that they are their to represent our interests and concerns and not their own interests and concerns, we don't elect them because we think they know best, we elect them to represent us, the people, it is we that know best and the majority have spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons. Note that they are their to represent our interests and concerns and not their own interests and concerns, we don't elect them because we think they know best, we elect them to represent us, the people, it is we that know best and the majority have spoken. I must disagree slightly. Under normal circumstances the MPs are not there simply to act as the majority of their constituents would in their place, but to temper that with their own views and wisdom. This is the difference between representative democracy and direct democracy. However in this case, the matter of Brexit, they have explicitly handed that decision over to direct democracy and are now morally (if not actually technically) compelled to act on our decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I must disagree slightly. Under normal circumstances the MPs are not there simply to act as the majority of their constituents would in their place, but to temper that with their own views and wisdom. This is the difference between representative democracy and direct democracy. However in this case, the matter of Brexit, they have explicitly handed that decision over to direct democracy and are now morally (if not actually technically) compelled to act on our decision. According to this. http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/mps/ They are there to represent the interests and concerns of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 According to this. http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/mps/ They are there to represent the interests and concerns of the electorate. They are, but that is not the same as simply carrying out the will of their constituents on a case by case basis. Except of course in the case of Brexit where they passed that decision to us and must now enact it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 They are, but that is not the same as simply carrying out the will of their constituents on a case by case basis. Except of course in the case of Brexit where they passed that decision to us and must now enact it. Ignoring brexit for a moment, if the majority of an MP's constituents are concerned about the high levels of immigration and their MP votes against controlling the levels of immigration, then the MP wouldn't have been representing the interests and concerns of their electorate, so wouldn't have fulfilled the role for which they were appointed by the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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