I1L2T3 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 In a democracy, then it is the will of the people, being a majority of those who chose to vote on the day. You cant use the non voters in that way as there were no in vote requirements. In this case we can because the design of the rerendum was deeply flawed. ---------- Post added 12-11-2016 at 12:47 ---------- You are entitled to your opinion but it wouldn't be wise to go against the wishes of the majority. We don't know what their wishes are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 In this case we can because the design of the rerendum was deeply flawed. ---------- Post added 12-11-2016 at 12:47 ---------- We don't know what their wishes are. Which would be best. 1.. Staying in the EU and having a seat at the table, or 2.. Giving up that seat but still paying and abiding by the rules they impose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 We don't know what their wishes are. We really, really do. There was consensus from both campaigns about one thing. The leaving meant leaving the single market. The Prime Minister himself said it on the BBC in full view of the public, and never retracted it. You already know this. If we get half-Brexit, or even what could be as little as Brexit in name only, then the referendum result is at least partially overturned and the damage to the integrity of democracy in the UK will take a generation to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 We really, really do. There was consensus from both campaigns about one thing. The leaving meant leaving the single market. The Prime Minister himself said it on the BBC in full view of the public, and never retracted it. You already know this. If we get half-Brexit, or even what could be as little as Brexit in name only, then the referendum result is at least partially overturned and the damage to the integrity of democracy in the UK will take a generation to correct. So regardless on how bad the deal for full brexit is, we should still leave. You'll be fine. I might be. There will be thousands who won't be - many of whom would have voted brexit. Do they just get thrown under the bus? EDIT - that prime minister isn't prime minister any more. Should May honour everything Cameron promised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 So regardless on how bad the deal for full brexit is, we should still leave. You'll be fine. I might be. There will be thousands who won't be - many of whom would have voted brexit. Do they just get thrown under the bus? The only bad deal is the deal that remoaners want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The only bad deal is the deal that remoaners want. Grow up for gods sake. Are you that stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Grow up for gods sake. Are you that stupid? The remoaners keep banging on about wanting the worst deal that is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The remoaners keep banging on about wanting the worst deal that is possible. Ok professor describe full brexit to me. The absolute best case scenario, which of course the EU will agree to without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 So regardless on how bad the deal for full brexit is, we should still leave. You'll be fine. I might be. There will be thousands who won't be - many of whom would have voted brexit. Do they just get thrown under the bus? EDIT - that prime minister isn't prime minister any more. Should May honour everything Cameron promised? May has collective responsibility as a member of the cabinet and the remain campaign at the time to honour the promise. The worst case in terms of trade with Europe is WTO MFN rules. That's not scary. No deal is fine. Even the "vote remain or the puppy gets it" experts trotted out endlessly before the vote will tell you that. We're talking here about possibly a reduced rate of growth over the next several years. Possibly. That's if you believe the economic predictions of people who've called it completely wrong so far. No recession. No catastrophe. No war, pestilence, famine or floods. The UK people want control of their own affairs. We do not want to collectivise with the rest of the continent. We don't dislike them, we just want the freedom to differ in various ways. And of course. We won. And I don't believe any of the remain folk who say that they're trying to carry out the wishes of the people. You're not. You want to salvage as much EU membership as you can because that's what you believe in. Well you lost. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Ok professor describe full brexit to me. The absolute best case scenario, which of course the EU will agree to without question. We leave the EU and take back full control of the money we send, our laws and end the free movement of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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