unbeliever Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 They are a right wing party, led by an ex-Tory, yet they appeal to Labour voters; work that one out. Because the left/right terminology has been abused and misused to the point where it has lost all value and because the world is far more complicated than that terminology ever allowed for anywsy. Former Labour voters vote UKIP primarily because they want out of the EU. Not because they're suddenly against trades unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Because the left/right terminology has been abused and misused to the point where it has lost all value and because the world is far more complicated than that terminology ever allowed for anywsy. Former Labour voters vote UKIP primarily because they want out of the EU. Not because they're suddenly against trades unions. Times are changing i feel a lot of staunch historic Labour, are fed up with the career Labour London centric politician. That gets candidates parachuted into so called safe seat then disappear into the London clan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Times are changing i feel a lot of staunch historic Labour, are fed up with the career Labour London centric politician. That gets candidates parachuted into so called safe seat then disappear into the London clan Every time I head one of the Labour folks or see them on TV (except Gisela Stuart) they're saying the same thing. We "respect" the referendum result and here's how we're planning to neutralise it. They insist on carrying on regardless and learning nothing other than exactly how it is that the electorate should be manipulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Every time I head one of the Labour folks or see them on TV (except Gisela Stuart) they're saying the same thing. We "respect" the referendum result and here's how we're planning to neutralise it. They insist on carrying on regardless and learning nothing other than exactly how it is that the electorate should be manipulated. And everytime you see a Conservative, they try and say nothing about what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 And everytime you see a Conservative, they try and say nothing about what will happen. Yes that's because they don't know. People can't give you information they don't have. No matter how much you feel entitled to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Because the left/right terminology has been abused and misused to the point where it has lost all value and because the world is far more complicated than that terminology ever allowed for anywsy. Former Labour voters vote UKIP primarily because they want out of the EU. Not because they're suddenly against trades unions. Wow, for once we totally agree! I thinkwhat you said is another reason for a total shake up of the voting / political system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Wow, for once we totally agree! I thinkwhat you said is another reason for a total shake up of the voting / political system. I don't see how that would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 And everytime you see a Conservative, they try and say nothing about what will happen. Why are people trying to tied the negotiators hands, negotiations are a fluid concept, why do MP want to know the bottom line in front of any talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Why are people trying to tied the negotiators hands, negotiations are a fluid concept, why do MP want to know the bottom line in front of any talks. Because leave voters had different reasons for voting leave. Some wanted more free trade, others wanted an end to mass immigration and others didnt like our laws set in another country. ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 06:30 ---------- Yes that's because they don't know. People can't give you information they don't have. No matter how much you feel entitled to it. And immigration, blocking immigration surely means and end to free trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petminder Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Because leave voters had different reasons for voting leave. Some wanted more free trade, others wanted an end to mass immigration and others didnt like our laws set in another country. ---------- Post added 18-11-2016 at 06:30 ---------- And immigration, blocking immigration surely means and end to free trade? There are countries with tariff free trade agreements that don't allow the free movement of people, that doesn't mean they stop all immigration it just means it is controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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