unbeliever Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Agreed, but I'd add, as it currently stands, to the last bit in bold, as it could effect the future numbers of fundamentalists. An effect perhaps but very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 That may well be the case, but the margins are going to be pretty fine regarding how relatively permissive Christianity is, for example. ---------- Post added 01-12-2016 at 12:51 ---------- No, there is a fundamental (no pun intended) misunderstanding between us here. Everything you say about those already radicalised is correct and I agree with it. I am concerned about the effect unfair treatment of innocent Muslims has on those who could become, or are on the way to becoming radicalised. Unfair treatment is recruitment propaganda. My bold= I agree with this, Muslims being ostracised and blamed for actions of terrorists does sometimes push some towards radicalisation. I have heard some Muslims say " we are never going to be accepted so why bother trying". The anti Muslim sentiment is a factor that is I'm afraid leading some to believe that there is no point trying to integrate due to non acceptance and is a dangerous situation that if allowed to carry on will lead to more disaffected Muslims taking the path of extremism and taking religious scripture out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 My bold= I agree with this, Muslims being ostracised and blamed for actions of terrorists does sometimes push some towards radicalisation. I have heard some Muslims say " we are never going to be accepted so why bother trying". The anti Muslim sentiment is a factor that is I'm afraid leading some to believe that there is no point trying to integrate due to non acceptance and is a dangerous situation that if allowed to carry on will lead to more disaffected Muslims taking the path of extremism and taking religious scripture out of context. That's exactly it. ---------- Post added 01-12-2016 at 13:13 ---------- An effect perhaps but very small. That remains to be seen, but that is no reason not to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 That remains to be seen, but that is no reason not to try. As I say. You're proposing things which I wholeheartedly support anyway. We should do them. Just don't expect it to have an impact on the problem of Islamic fundamentalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 As I say. You're proposing things which I wholeheartedly support anyway. We should do them. Just don't expect it to have an impact on the problem of Islamic fundamentalism. I understand that we agree. I don't expect it to change the current picture in any way. I hope it may improve the future one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I understand that we agree. I don't expect it to change the current picture in any way. I hope it may improve the future one. I don't share your hope, but I shall be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong and I support your plans anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 As for whether people should speak out - they do. There was a march the other day that 1,000,000 (I believe - forgive me if that's slightly inaccurate) muslims marched on against ISIS. There were even articles on social media about 'why you won't have seen this news'. Because it wasn't real? https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/facebook-trending-just-promoted-a-misleading-story-about-a-m?utm_term=.qvqbP47jey#.ioRBz12WPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Because it wasn't real? https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/facebook-trending-just-promoted-a-misleading-story-about-a-m?utm_term=.qvqbP47jey#.ioRBz12WPL Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1976 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Because it wasn't real? https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/facebook-trending-just-promoted-a-misleading-story-about-a-m?utm_term=.qvqbP47jey#.ioRBz12WPL Didn't see that I'll admit. I didn't even read the article if I'm honest. Interesting that these things are being invented though. Why feel the need? Hopefully it's showing some desire to heal what is becoming quite a rift between certain sections. Knowing humans, I doubt it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) I don't share your hope, but I shall be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong and I support your plans anyway. Fair enough. Either way, we want the same thing. Because it wasn't real? https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/facebook-trending-just-promoted-a-misleading-story-about-a-m?utm_term=.qvqbP47jey#.ioRBz12WPL I don't do social media in the main. How big an issue is this fake news stuff? Edited December 1, 2016 by mikem8634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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