How far will the rise of nationalistic populism go ?

[The Joker]

They would be to frightened of the Muslim council.

 

stop talking nonsense.

 

If British governments were happy to ignore the wishes of British Muslims and bomb Iraq, they're unlikely to be too scared of them to ban the face veil.

[hauxwell]

stop talking nonsense.

 

If British governments were happy to ignore the wishes of British Muslims and bomb Iraq, they're unlikely to be too scared of them to ban the face veil.

 

I still think the Government could not cope with the outcry if the full veil was banned. There would be protests all over. London would come to a stand still.

[I1L2T3]

I still think the Government could not cope with the outcry if the full veil was banned. There would be protests all over. London would come to a stand still.

 

As a country we have been historically very tolerant. Why stop now?

[Margarita Ma]

As a country we have been historically very tolerant. Why stop now?

 

We are not stopping now.

The same rules should apply to everyone.

We don't tolerate motorcyclists walking into shops etc wearing a full face helmet, why tolerate a face veil?

These veils can hide a multitude of sins including facial bruising and burns. They hide identity and are unnecessary in a civilized society where weather and environmental conditions do not affect a persons ability to breath. We don't live in a desert where dust makes them useful.

[hauxwell]

Britain is a tolerant county. We don't question other religious beliefs to an extent, and we let them practice their religion, unlike ISIS, who don't allow women the smallest freedom and expect them to wear the full veil.

As someone pointed out you would not be allowed to go into a bank wearing a helmet. I watched a security guard ask someone to remove a ballycarver in Meadowhall and yet a woman, or for all we know could be a man, freely walk around wearing the full veil.

Give it the same status as someone who wears a crash helmet.

 

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Britain is a tolerant county. We don't question other religious beliefs to an extent, and we let them practice their religion, unlike ISIS, who don't allow women the smallest freedom and expect them to wear the full veil.

As someone pointed out you would not be allowed to go into a bank wearing a helmet. I watched a security guard ask someone to remove a ballycarver in Meadowhall and yet a woman, or for all we know could be a man, freely walk around wearing the full veil.

Give it the same status as someone who wears a crash helmet.[/quote

Or a ballycarver at Meadowhall!

[I1L2T3]

We are not stopping now.

The same rules should apply to everyone.

We don't tolerate motorcyclists walking into shops etc wearing a full face helmet, why tolerate a face veil?

These veils can hide a multitude of sins including facial bruising and burns. They hide identity and are unnecessary in a civilized society where weather and environmental conditions do not affect a persons ability to breath. We don't live in a desert where dust makes them useful.

 

There's got to be better reasons for banning them than that?

[Margarita Ma]

There's got to be better reasons for banning them than that?

 

What do you suggest?

[hauxwell]

There's got to be better reasons for banning them than that?

 

These are just a few reasons why the veil or hijab should be banned, talking to someone and you are unable to make facial contact, because their face is covered.

What about health reasons? The lack of vitamin D which comes naturally from the sun. Let's hope these woman eat the correct food to compensate their diet, they are more likely to get osteoporosis because of there dress code.

I have watched these woman on hot days wearing these garments some have their face more exposed than others, you can see they are struggling, can you imagine how they must sweat, and the men they are with are wearing tea shirts, it must be atrocious for them particularly the older ones.

They should be encouraged not to wear these garments.

 

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As a country we have been historically very tolerant. Why stop now?[/quote

 

One more thing about being a tolerant country, because I am not sure if we are going off the subject of national populism.

This country showed a lot of tolerance when we had these hate preachers voicing there hate filled sermons on the streets of London. The cost of stopping Abu Hamza was disgusting. As you say we have a historty of being tolerant but there are limits.

 

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As a country we have been historically very tolerant. Why stop now?[/quote

 

One more thing about being a tolerant country, because I am not sure if we are going off the subject of national populism.

This country showed a lot of tolerance when we had these hate preachers voicing there hate filled sermons on the streets of London. The cost of stopping Abu Hamza was disgusting. As you say we have a historty of being tolerant but there are limits.

Edited December 11, 2016 by hauxwell
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[Margarita Ma]

The Hijab and the Face Veil are two different things. The Hijab is a scarf used to cover the hair. Though it could be pulled across the face it is not usually used to hide the face as a face veil.

hijab

hɪˈdʒɑːb/

noun

a head covering worn in public by some Muslim women.

the religious code which governs the wearing of the hijab.

burka

ˈbəːkə,ˈbʊrkɑː/

noun

noun: burqa

a long, loose garment covering the whole body from head to feet, worn in public by women in many Muslim countries.

The al-amira is a two-piece veil. It consists of a close fitting cap, usually made from cotton or polyester, and an accompanying tube-like scarf. The shayla is a long, rectangular scarf popular in the Gulf region. It is wrapped around the head and tucked or pinned in place at the shoulders.

 

 

The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear. However, it may be worn with a separate eye veil. It is worn with an accompanying headscarf. The burka is the most concealing of all Islamic veils. It covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through.

 

 

The khimar is a long, cape-like veil that hangs down to just above the waist. It covers the hair, neck and shoulders completely, but leaves the face clear. The chador, worn by many Iranian women when outside the house, is a full-body cloak. It is often accompanied by a smaller headscarf underneath.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Margarita Ma

[hauxwell]

The Hijab and the Face Veil are two different things. The Hijab is a scarf used to cover the hair. Though it could be pulled across the face it is not usually used to hide the face as a face veil.

hijab

hɪˈdʒɑːb/

noun

a head covering worn in public by some Muslim women.

the religious code which governs the wearing of the hijab.

burka

ˈbəːkə,ˈbʊrkɑː/

noun

noun: burqa

a long, loose garment covering the whole body from head to feet, worn in public by women in many Muslim countries.

The al-amira is a two-piece veil. It consists of a close fitting cap, usually made from cotton or polyester, and an accompanying tube-like scarf. The shayla is a long, rectangular scarf popular in the Gulf region. It is wrapped around the head and tucked or pinned in place at the shoulders.

 

 

The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear. However, it may be worn with a separate eye veil. It is worn with an accompanying headscarf. The burka is the most concealing of all Islamic veils. It covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through.

 

 

The khimar is a long, cape-like veil that hangs down to just above the waist. It covers the hair, neck and shoulders completely, but leaves the face clear. The chador, worn by many Iranian women when outside the house, is a full-body cloak. It is often accompanied by a smaller headscarf underneath.

 

Thank you for that information, I had no idea what was what.