Which group has killed 900 in Britain in 6 years?

[Cyclone]

Is the terrorism risk actually getting worse, we no longer have the IRA bombing pubs and streets...

[Margarita Ma]

Er, I have not seen anywhere that it was not important at all.

 

There is quite a lot of publicity given to known terrorist attacks for obvious reasons. They tend to be very public (to create terror) and involve many more than one person, often caught on camera(cctv) people will film or photograph the carnage in a way not possible less than thirty years ago. Public outrage at the affront to their safety and the violation of trust by those perpetrating such horrible crimes is actively encouraged by news reporters asking public opinion.

On the other hand in contrast: Very few Murders of women take place in a public place; most murders of women by partners or ex partners take place behind closed doors, very few people will have been closely involved with the incident, very few will have been made aware of the murder, because it is not seen as a high public threat it may not be highly publicised.

Note that it was only after a student was attacked by the Yorkshire Ripper that the police began to hunt for him in earnest, as it was not seen as a public threat that prostitutes were being murdered. Much the same attitude has prevailed in cases of domestic violence. Men have tried to keep under wraps the violence in the home and continue do so.

[blake]

Er, I have not seen anywhere that it was not important at all.

 

There is quite a lot of publicity given to known terrorist attacks for obvious reasons. They tend to be very public (to create terror) and involve many more than one person, often caught on camera(cctv) people will film or photograph the carnage in a way not possible less than thirty years ago. Public outrage at the affront to their safety and the violation of trust by those perpetrating such horrible crimes is actively encouraged by news reporters asking public opinion.

On the other hand in contrast: Very few Murders of women take place in a public place; most murders of women by partners or ex partners take place behind closed doors, very few people will have been closely involved with the incident, very few will have been made aware of the murder, because it is not seen as a high public threat it may not be highly publicised.

Note that it was only after a student was attacked by the Yorkshire Ripper that the police began to hunt for him in earnest, as it was not seen as a public threat that prostitutes were being murdered. Much the same attitude has prevailed in cases of domestic violence. Men have tried to keep under wraps the violence in the home and continue do so.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that while still concerning, there are LESS people, including less women - who form only a minority of murder victims anyway - being murdered than before. The situation is better now than it was 20-30 years ago.

 

But that's not true about terrorism-related related violence at all. That hasn't got any better. It's got worse. 20-30 years ago, nobody wanted to blow up Tube trains to kill as many people as they could. Nobody wanted to massacre dozens of British tourists on a Tunisian beach. Unlike the murder of women, where the situation has improved, terrorism-related violence is worse than it was previously.

 

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Is the terrorism risk actually getting worse, we no longer have the IRA bombing pubs and streets...

 

Of course it is for normal civilians as opposed to soldiers or other terrorists. The IRA almost never attempted any truly mass murders like Islamist terrorists have been pulling off all over Europe and the world in what has been less than the past 20 years. It's far worse now than then and it's all over Europe and the world too, from the same ideology. Much worse.

 

If you are an ordinary guy attending a soccer match, a play, or a concert today, you are much likelier to get involved in some terrorism-related incident now than you were then. Much more likely. And it could be anywhere. London. Rome. Madrid. Anywhere.

[Halibut]

The point I'm trying to make is that while still concerning, there are LESS people, including less women - who form only a minority of murder victims anyway - being murdered than before. The situation is better now than it was 20-30 years ago.

 

But that's not true about terrorism-related related violence at all. That hasn't got any better. It's got worse. 20-30 years ago, nobody wanted to blow up Tube trains to kill as many people as they could. Nobody wanted to massacre dozens of British tourists on a Tunisian beach. Unlike the murder of women, where the situation has improved, terrorism-related violence is worse than it was previously.

 

1988 - six off duty British soldiers blown up in their minibus in Lisburn, Northern Ireland; eight soldiers killed and twenty eight injured in Ballygawley, County Tyrone.

 

Same year - 11 dead 98 injured in Athens

 

1991 - 9 dead, 44 injured in Spain.

 

 

Some people have very short memories.

[Cyclone]

Some actual data here instead of just "of course" statements.

 

http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

 

Which actually prove the "of course" to be completely wrong.

[blake]

Just total bull. The worst terrorism-related related incidents in most European countries that have also had home grown terrorist movements like Britain, France and Spain have all been Islamist ones and they've all been in the last few years. Things like 7/7, the 2004 Madrid bombing, and the November 2015 Paris attacks are each the biggest terrorism incidents in those three countries history, and they each took place within the past dozen years. Terrorism on that scale in each of those countries was unknown before.

[The Joker]

blake thinks the world reset on September 11th 2001, therefore decades of ETA and IRA bombings in Spain and England never happened.

 

Bless.

[Cyclone]

Just total bull. The worst terrorism-related related incidents in most European countries that have also had home grown terrorist movements like Britain, France and Spain have all been Islamist ones and they've all been in the last few years. Things like 7/7, the 2004 Madrid bombing, and the November 2015 Paris attacks are each the biggest terrorism incidents in those three countries history, and they each took place within the past dozen years. Terrorism on that scale in each of those countries was unknown before.

 

The data is "total bull" and we should believe that because you say so?

 

I expect you have some reason to exclude this?

 

1988 was the most violent year in Western Europe. 270 people died in the attack on the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie.

...

 

The late 70's to early 90's were worse in both measure of number of attacks and number of deaths. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Cyclone

[blake]

blake thinks the world reset on September 11th 2001, therefore decades of ETA and IRA bombings in Spain and England never happened.

 

Bless.

 

 

7/7 was the biggest terror attack in Britain's history by a mile. Madrid 2004 was the biggest in Spain's. By a mile

And November 2015 was the he biggest in France's. By a mile.

[Cyclone]

Apart from Lockerbie... Are you going to keep denying the facts?

 

And look at the list of ETA actions in Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

Edited December 11, 2016 by Cyclone