Accountability of Sheffield MPs who voted against brexit

[phil752]

That does not make sense.

 

your right and ill vote inline with how our mps should have supported us

[Justin Smith]

There is a school of thought that says that if, by the next election, we`ve left the EU, any switching of votes could be towards the Remainers.

Think about it :

 

The Brexiteers have won, we`ve left, for them it`s over. What`s the point in settling scores ? It`s easy to bury the hatchet if you`ve got everything you want anyway

 

But to Remainers they`ve lost. To many it`ll always annoy them (or worse), it isn`t over and never will be. It`s never easy to bury the hatchet if you haven`t got anything that you want, not even a minor concession, despite the fact 48% voted remain. This is why all those please for unity and pulling together from the Brexiteers and the Govt (= the same thing) are so much ****.

 

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

 

How to avoid the point, the one in bold being the most significant.

 

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Democracy, control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.

The vote was taken, Brexit won the day. What would be the point of an MP reflecting his Remain constituents and doggedly opposing Brexit. Time the Remoaners accept that we will be leaving the corrupt EU. Time to get behind Brexit and all pull in one direction.

 

Angel1.

 

A narrow majority after the most dishonest campaign in living memory ? Yes I`d possibly agree with that, but no more.

There was no majority for leaving the single market etc, you know that full well. If you don`t admit it you`re just making yourself look silly.

 

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Originally Posted by Penistone999 :

So anyone who is against mass immigration is a Racist ?

 

If they were all Australians or Canadians you would not crack a dickie bird

 

I agree with you Jacktari. But what Penny fails to realise (a common theme may I add, he`s still got Trump as his Avatar) is that most immigration from the EU is white Christian.

But the thing I really, REALLY don`t get, is that, generally, most areas which voted for Brexit* don`t have that many immigrants ! What does that tell you ? ! ? Whenever I go to Pensitone I see hardly any immigrants, and those I do see (in the Indian restaurants) are, I`d bet, most welcome there.

 

* Even the Brexiteers admit it was mainly over immigration

[apelike]

There was no majority for leaving the single market etc, you know that full well.

 

But there couldn't have been a majority for that as the question was never asked, which you fail to grasp.

 

* Even the Brexiteers admit it was mainly over immigration

 

No they don't, and I know many other Brexiters that also don't believe that, some also post on SF. But.. if you want to believe the media spin and lies then that is up to you.

[Manlinose]

Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out, but if the house of commons truly represented the will of the people, 243 MPs would have voted in favour, 224 would have voted against, and 183 would have abstained

[Justin Smith]

There was no majority for leaving the single market etc, you know that full well.

 

But there couldn't have been a majority for that as the question was never asked, which you fail to grasp..

 

Right, so if the question was never asked, how have the hard core Brexiteers implied that it had and that was what "the people" voted for ?

[unbeliever]

That is exactly how democracy works and I refuse to believe that you don't know this.

Your argument is a simple and extremely obvious rejection of democracy itself.

 

Just give up. The people have spoken. You're entitled to say that they've made a mistake but it is quite wrong to say that they have not really expressed a view.

[Justin Smith]

Even the Brexiteers admit it was mainly over immigration

 

No they don't, and I know many other Brexiters that also don't believe that, some also post on SF. But.. if you want to believe the media spin and lies then that is up to you.

 

Right, if it wasn`t about immigration, how come in this research (before the last general election) only 15% of people put Europe in the top three of their concerns ? Whilst for immigration it was about 60% ? What`s most interesting is that when people were asked whether immigration was a worry directly for you and your family, the %age dropped to less than 20.

 

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That is exactly how democracy works and I refuse to believe that you don't know this.

Your argument is a simple and extremely obvious rejection of democracy itself.

 

Just give up. The people have spoken. You're entitled to say that they've made a mistake but it is quite wrong to say that they have not really expressed a view.

 

When you mean That, what exactly do you mean ? Do you mean the extrapolation (by the Bexiteers) of what the result meant ? Or do you mean something else ?

 

I do think the people have made a mistake, but that is not actually the reason I`m so mad about the whole thing. I`m mad because on a dishonest campaign and a tight result, a protest vote has made a huge change to this country and how I`ll have to live. I`m also mad that the 48% who voted to remain are now simply ignored, like they don`t exist. I`m also mad as hell about the dishonest extrapolation of the result that the Brexiteers have made, what they consider the people were actually voting for. It`s obscene, particularly when they start banging on about democracy and respecting the will of the voters (but only when it suits them), that really makes me feel sick.

Here`s a question for you :

If the result had been 90% to 10%, as opposed to the 52% to 48% that it actually was, how different would the governments reaction and negotiating strategy have been ?

 

I don`t believe it would have been any different at all, because, let`s face, it can`t be any more hard Brexit can it ? And that speaks volumes.

Edited February 21, 2017 by Justin Smith

[unbeliever]

Even the Brexiteers admit it was mainly over immigration

 

 

 

Right, if it wasn`t about immigration, how come in this research (before the last general election) only 15% of people put Europe in the top three of their concerns ? Whilst for immigration it was about 60% ? What`s most interesting is that when people were asked whether immigration was a worry directly for you and your family, the %age dropped to less than 20.

 

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When you mean That, what exactly do you mean ? Do you mean the extrapolation (by the Bexiteers) of what the result meant ? Or do you mean something else ?

 

I do think the people have made a mistake, but that is not actually the reason I`m so mad about the whole thing. I`m mad because on a dishonest campaign and a tight result, a protest vote has made a huge change to this country and how I`ll have to live. I`m also mad that the 48% who voted to remain are now simply ignored, like they don`t exist. I`m also mad as hell about the dishonest extrapolation of the result that the Brexiteers have made, what they consider the people were actually voting for. It`s obscene, particularly when they start banging on about democracy and respecting the will of the voters (but only when it suits them), that really makes me feel sick.

Here`s a question for you :

If the result had been 90% to 10%, as opposed to the 52% to 48% that it actually was, how different would the governments reaction and negotiating strategy have been ?

 

I don`t believe it would have been any different at all, because, let`s face, it can`t be any more hard Brexit can it ? And that speaks volumes.

 

 

It's a binary matter. Soft Brexit is a myth.

[altus]

It's a binary matter. Soft Brexit is a myth.

Degree of brexit isn't a binary matter - or do you believe that everyone who voted for brexit supports turning this country into an offshore corporate tax haven, with the consequent negative effects, as Theresa May threatened could happen?

[unbeliever]

Degree of brexit isn't a binary matter - or do you believe that everyone who voted for brexit supports turning this country into an offshore corporate tax haven, with the consequent negative effects, as Theresa May threatened could happen?

 

We voted to leave the EU. Not half leave it. If we stay in the single market and the customs union, that's not even half leaving. More like 10% leaving.