Central government want council tax rise to fund elderly care.

[Dr Afzal]

Since 2010 local authorities have seen a 40% cut in funding grants. Now the government is indicating that councils should increase council tax to foot the bill for social care.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38286145

A key problem with the precept system, was variation in the amount of money raised between wealthy and poorer areas, creating a "postcode lottery".

"We are trying to integrate health with social care and yet the health system is based on national taxation.

[chalga]

I've got a good idea,we should give the money from what we give to the EU to fund this,then it will stop everybody getting poorer because of tax increases,sure I saw it on a bus somewhere.

[Berberis]

I see no problem what so ever as long as it goes to elderly care and not up the nose of some private company exec

[tinfoilhat]

I see no problem what so ever as long as it goes to elderly care and not up the nose of some private company exec

 

As most homes are private concerns that's unavoidable to some extent. On the other hand if it goes to council run it will be burnt off with council inefficiency.

[Anna B]

As most homes are private concerns that's unavoidable to some extent. On the other hand if it goes to council run it will be burnt off with council inefficiency.

 

Are there many council run care homes left?

 

Actually, I don't think this is particularly referring to care homes, but to elderly care in general which is pretty appalling. Community Care workers do their best but are woefully underfunded and understaffed.

[Detetcive]

Are there many council run care homes left?

 

Actually, I don't think this is particularly referring to care homes, but to elderly care in general which is pretty appalling. Community Care workers do their best but are woefully underfunded and understaffed.

 

Not in Sheffield - haven't been any for about 10 years. The funding crisis is more to do with care at home and the government's shifting this to local taxes is devious to say the least and won't cover the shortfall anyway.

[Gamston]

I see no problem what so ever as long as it goes to elderly care and not up the nose of some private company exec

Agreed ....

 

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As most homes are private concerns that's unavoidable to some extent. On the other hand if it goes to council run it will be burnt off with council inefficiency.

Making more money available is no guarantee that elderly care will improve or be more efficient for reasons you imply.

[tinfoilhat]

Agreed ....

 

---------- Post added 12-12-2016 at 16:34 ----------

 

Making more money available is no guarantee that elderly care will improve or be more efficient for reasons you imply.

 

Agreed. For example a good care home can be better than a bad one that receives the same amount of money, it's how it's run. More places available will help the system and the NHS.

[Anna B]

As someone said, this is more about care at home.

 

There are a lot of elderly people needing help that simply don't get any help at all. Sadly, they can no longer depend on family or neighbours popping in and need carers. OAPs already have to pay a lot for these services.

 

It annoys me that government is putting the onus on Local Government to raise the money via council tax, so that the government can claim to have not put up taxes when the overall effect for the public is exactly the same.

 

Just as an aside: can we not get rid of some (most) of the 800+ unnecessary old fossils in the house of Lords and use the savings from that to help fund OAP care?

 

See, I'm finding savings already...

[chalga]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/24/britain-ageing-population-lords-inquiry

 

Can't say they weren't warned anyway........this from almost 4 years ago now,but what do the so called experts know,eh?

 

 

 

Filkin, 68, said the prospect of living longer was a "gift", and added that studies suggest people's happiness peaks after retirement. But six months of evidence gathering revealed the huge impact such changes would have on almost every aspect of public life.

 

There had to be an agreement on the values and vision of the government, he said. "Is it trying to support people to live independently and well, and if so what does that imply?", he asked. "If you have big changes coming and/or those changes require you to make significant changes in services and systems over time, you have to have some kind of plan."

 

The most dramatic warnings to the Lords committee, which focused on 2020-2030, were for the NHS. Filkin criticises health bosses for not making detailed forecasts, and evidence from experts showed the scale of the crisis facing hospitals, specialist services and care homes.

Edited December 12, 2016 by chalga