People are offended at everything?

[harvey19]

For some reason I am unable to reply via a quote to Post 90.

1... The point is to single no one out.

2...You need to explain yourself.

3...i state the decision about a person's sexuality has been made. I presumed it would be understood this decision was made at birth

[Robin-H]

Please read my post again as this is what I was advocating.

 

 

Is that what you are advocating? It sounded like you were suggested that it was the fault of camp people for not 'integrating into society' because of the fact they 'draw attention to their sexuality'.

 

Doesn't sound like you want to everybody to just get along when you also want to have distinct terms for 'camp' gay people (gay) and non camp gay people (homosexuals). Why is that necessary?

[harvey19]

I mean do you draw a distinction between hetrosexual people who overtly display their sexuality compared to those who don't?

Examples please.

 

Because you seem to be suggesting that homosexual people who are camp are doing it for attention or something, which sounds like closet homophobia don't you think?

Not at all.

Don't you think they are trying to draw attention to themselves ?

 

You're saying that being gay is okay, just so long as they don't draw attention to it, no?

If a person acts in a provocative, outlandish way they will draw attention to themselves. Some will not like this form of behaviour and so judge all homosexuals by it. Generalisations I know but it happens.

 

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Is that what you are advocating? It sounded like you were suggested that it was the fault of camp people for not 'integrating into society' because of the fact they 'draw attention to their sexuality'.

It can give an impression that they do not wish to join main stream society and this can become a generalisation of them.

The homosexuals I know get on with their lives and their homosexuality is just a small part of it, they do not need to advertise is as most heterosexuals do not need to advertise their sexuality.

 

Doesn't sound like you want to everybody to just get along when you also want to have distinct terms for 'camp' gay people (gay) and non camp gay people (homosexuals). Why is that necessary?

No that is not what I mean.

I think the term gay in some eyes describes the camp type of entertainer and this is not typical of most homosexuals who just want to live a regular life.

[Obelix]

For some reason I am unable to reply via a quote to Post 90.

1... The point is to single no one out.

2...You need to explain yourself.

3...i state the decision about a person's sexuality has been made. I presumed it would be understood this decision was made at birth

 

You stunningly failed then in not singling anyone out.

 

I rather think it is you who needs to explain yourself. I am not going to have you turn this around and have me explain when you are the one who needs to explain your outrageous comments. So I'm waiting - are you going to explain them? You said IF a person is born.... when we all know it's when.

 

So are you going to shed some light on your outrageous comments then?

[harvey19]

You stunningly failed then in not singling anyone out.

 

I rather think it is you who needs to explain yourself. I am not going to have you turn this around and have me explain when you are the one who needs to explain your outrageous comments. So I'm waiting - are you going to explain them? You said IF a person is born.... when we all know it's when.

 

So are you going to shed some light on your outrageous comments then?

My comments were not outrageous and were fully and clearly explained.

If you fail to understand then I can do no more.

[Obelix]

My comments were not outrageous and were fully and clearly explained.

If you fail to understand then I can do no more.

 

You don't need to. I don't converse with homophobes.

[Robin-H]

If a person acts in a provocative, outlandish way they will draw attention to themselves. Some will not like this form of behaviour and so judge all homosexuals by it. Generalisations I know but it happens.

 

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No that is not what I mean.

I think the term gay in some eyes describes the camp type of entertainer and this is not typical of most homosexuals who just want to live a regular life.

 

What exactly is a 'regular' life? Does being camp preclude you from having a regular life? Does being macho?

[Gamston]

I think I understand the point harvey19 is making. If Richard Hammond had used the word 'camp' instead of 'gay' then nobody would be offended, because both homosexual men and straight men can behave in a camp manner. For example both David Walliams and Duncan Norvelle behave in a camp manner, but neither are homosexual.

[harvey19]

I think I understand the point harvey19 is making. If Richard Hammond had used the word 'camp' instead of 'gay' then nobody would be offended, because both homosexual men and straight men can behave in a camp manner. For example both David Walliams and Duncan Norvelle behave in a camp manner, but neither are homosexual.

Thank you.

 

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You don't need to. I don't converse with homophobes.

please explain your comment.

[Margarita Ma]

I honestly cannot see what the problem is with camp behaviour. Your behaviour is part and parcel of your total makeup your personality and sexuality.

 

Do you object to women behaving in certain ways too. For instance, wearing trousers, having very short hair, riding a motorbike, doing a manual task or earning their living by doing skilled manual work. These could all be construed as being macho.

 

Should we all float around in what is regarded as feminine aparell, giggling, fluttering our eyelashes and asking a man to do every little thing.

 

Behaving in a camp manner could be seen as a defence against the attentions of women.