unbeliever Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Passengers and train companies want a driver and another person on the train, there is no imbalance. "Southern also proposed that, following the changes to the door operation, that conductors would now take on an "on-board supervisor role", which would enable conductors to be able to concentrate on the passengers more as opposed to the doors." Perhaps you are getting confused with the strike on the underground Both strikes are over the shedding of excess staff. What evidence do you have that the passengers want a second staffer onboard on Southern, or that they want staff around on the underground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacktari Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Both strikes are over the shedding of excess staff. What evidence do you have that the passengers want a second staffer onboard on Southern, or that they want staff around on the underground? It does not matter what passengers want does it? If H&S requires additional staff to perform a task, then additional staff must be provided, or that task does not get done. And there should be no argument about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Both strikes are over the shedding of excess staff. What evidence do you have that the passengers want a second staffer onboard on Southern, or that they want staff around on the underground? There have been serious accidents on trains with no safety-trained guard on board. In Hayes and Harlington on 25th July 2015, a passenger’s bag got caught in a train door. There was no guard on door duty and the passenger was thrown to the ground and seriously injured. On 7th May this year at East Dunbarton, a man fell between the platform and the moving train. There was no guard on the train and no staff on the platform to help him. Please sign this petition if you too would like safety-trained staff on your train. https://www.change.org/p/charles-horton-keep-the-guard-on-the-train-keep-the-train-safe 2,377 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 There have been serious accidents on trains with no safety-trained guard on board. In Hayes and Harlington on 25th July 2015, a passenger’s bag got caught in a train door. There was no guard on door duty and the passenger was thrown to the ground and seriously injured. On 7th May this year at East Dunbarton, a man fell between the platform and the moving train. There was no guard on the train and no staff on the platform to help him. Please sign this petition if you too would like safety-trained staff on your train. https://www.change.org/p/charles-horton-keep-the-guard-on-the-train-keep-the-train-safe 2,377 so far. Wow only 97,623 to go and parliament has to talk about it. You hang in there. Maybe you can find a third barely relevant anecdote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Wow only 97,623 to go and parliament has to talk about it. You hang in there. Maybe you can find a third barely relevant anecdote. Whether you are listening, or not, I have got my point across, that Southern and other train companies will not be reducing staff numbers. Because they do not want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Whether you are listening, or not, I have got my point across, that Southern and other train companies will not be reducing staff numbers. Because they do not want to. They really will. Guards on Southern, ticket sellers on the tube: just the start. Drivers will be going next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacktari Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 They really will. Guards on Southern, ticket sellers on the tube: just the start. Drivers will be going next. And is that a good thing? More and more people unemployed. Someone has to generate wealth, it does not grow on trees. Unless you are running an orchard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 And is that a good thing? More and more people unemployed. Someone has to generate wealth, it does not grow on trees. Unless you are running an orchard. Yes. It makes them more reliable and cheaper. Also robots don't strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 They really will. Guards on Southern, ticket sellers on the tube: just the start. Drivers will be going next. It may happen in the future. The drivers need cameras, on the train and on the station, every station is different. Long trains, curved platforms, many operators will need to splash out ££££ It will be better to keep the guards, as the eyes of the train. ---------- Post added 10-01-2017 at 22:02 ---------- Yes. It makes them more reliable and cheaper. Also robots don't strike. Its not easy for them to see if someone has fallen beneath the train though, have you heard of the ale trail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacktari Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Yes. It makes them more reliable and cheaper. Also robots don't strike. I can see you are a warm and compassionate man. I gather the ghosts made little impression this Christmas Eve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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