Failing NHS caused by the Tories?

[tinfoilhat]

Labour and the Tories have both badly damaged the NHS.

 

Labour with its internal market reforms and ruinous PFI. The Tories just blatantly mismanage and underfund it every time they reach power. But what else would they do? To a man/woman Tory MPs wouldn't need to routinely rely on the NHS. They have no love for it and most of them despite grudgingly made nods of respect to the NHS regard it as a massive mistake. It's not that they are mean scum. They just can't comprehend how important the NHS is to so many of us, and most of them have had no opportunity to comprehend that.

 

You got the first bit right, but I disagree on the rest. Most MPs come from the same middle class cloth now and they'll all be on the same salary. Most will have needed the nhs, private health companies don't do everything by a long way. Cameron used the NHS with his kid - he won't be the only one.

[the_bloke]

In 1990 the Lyceum was completely restored at a cost of £12 million, as part of the WSG.

 

Thanks for replying to the least part of my post. I didn't think I'd get a decent answer.

[I1L2T3]

You got the first bit right, but I disagree on the rest. Most MPs come from the same middle class cloth now and they'll all be on the same salary. Most will have needed the nhs, private health companies don't do everything by a long way. Cameron used the NHS with his kid - he won't be the only one.

 

They use it when they are forced to. Private medicine won't provide trauma care, emergency care etc... but the vast majority of people don't end up in those situations year on year. Most people never see the inside of a burns unit or major trauma unit, or need highly specialist care for their children, just as examples.

 

I work with people from the same backgrounds as them and have done for years, and like them for all the routine stuff I've had private care available for my whole family as a perk of employment (when I haven't been contracting). You need your hernia done? It's done in weeks. Physio? In next day. No messing about with GPs, only to get referrals to private specialists. The middle class people that provide the backbone of the Tory back benches will have had the same experience. If you've never had access to this kind of care you won't realise how pervasive it is when you move into certain levels of employment. Seriously, they will not know the NHS much or appreciate it much. Most of them have no reason to.

[tinfoilhat]

They use it when they are forced to. Private medicine won't provide trauma care, emergency care etc... but the vast majority of people don't end up in those situations year on year. Most people never see the inside of a burns unit or major trauma unit, or need highly specialist care for their children, just as examples.

 

I work with people from the same backgrounds as them and have done for years, and like them for all the routine stuff I've had private care available for my whole family as a perk of employment (when I haven't been contracting). You need your hernia done? It's done in weeks. Physio? In next day. No messing about with GPs, only to get referrals to private specialists. The middle class people that provide the backbone of the Tory back benches will have had the same experience. If you've never had access to this kind of care you won't realise how pervasive it is when you move into certain levels of employment. Seriously, they will not know the NHS much or appreciate it much. Most of them have no reason to.

 

I get that but I don't understand why you think it's exclusively Tory MPs withat mind set. Have you seen any labour MPs? Chesterfield? Lawyer. Others? Professional politicos, union or council with all the trimmings. The day of labour MPs coming from dahn pit or t'factory are long long gone. That's why we've got trump in the White House - joe public is fed up of professional politicians from accross the board.

[El Cid]

PFI schemes are effectively a way for governments to 'borrow' money without it appearing in government debt figures (which would look bad).

 

PFI has been controversial in the UK; the National Audit Office felt in 2003 that it provided good value for money overall.

 

When the Conservatives took out PFIs, they were criticised by Labour, the more mature PFIs are now criticised by the Conservatives.

 

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Thanks for replying to the least part of my post. I didn't think I'd get a decent answer.

 

I am not from Sheffield

[Cyclone]

You got the first bit right, but I disagree on the rest. Most MPs come from the same middle class cloth now and they'll all be on the same salary. Most will have needed the nhs, private health companies don't do everything by a long way. Cameron used the NHS with his kid - he won't be the only one.

 

23 of the cabinet of 29 in 2010 were millionaires.

 

I can't find any numbers for MPs generally.

[I1L2T3]

I get that but I don't understand why you think it's exclusively Tory MPs withat mind set. Have you seen any labour MPs? Chesterfield? Lawyer. Others? Professional politicos, union or council with all the trimmings. The day of labour MPs coming from dahn pit or t'factory are long long gone. That's why we've got trump in the White House - joe public is fed up of professional politicians from accross the board.

 

The point is that no other party has a sizeable number of MPs who would happily get rid of the NHS.

[Robin-H]

The point is that no other party has a sizeable number of MPs who would happily get rid of the NHS.

 

Find me the source that says a sizeable number of Tory MPs want to get rid of the NHS.

 

Just assuming they do because you think all Tory MPs are rich isn't a source, and anyway, being rich doesn't mean you don't value the NHS.

[I1L2T3]

Find me the source that says a sizeable number of Tory MPs want to get rid of the NHS.

 

Just assuming they do because you think all Tory MPs are rich isn't a source, and anyway, being rich doesn't mean you don't value the NHS.

 

They would privatise all the services and introduce commercial health insurance tomorrow if they could.

 

The NHS runs directly counter to their ideology. They can pretend to like the NHS but everybody knows what they would do if they could. All that is stopping them is the public affection for the NHS but they are trying to break that with deliberate underfunding.

 

The nasty party full of nasty people playing with peoples' lives.

[Robin-H]

They would privatise all the services and introduce commercial health insurance tomorrow if they could.

 

The NHS runs directly counter to their ideology. They can pretend to like the NHS but everybody knows what they would do if they could. All that is stopping them is the public affection for the NHS but they are trying to break that with deliberate underfunding.

 

The nasty party full of nasty people playing with peoples' lives.

 

So you don't have any sources then.

 

You realise the NHS was privatised more under Labour than it was under the Conservatives.

 

You also realise that a National Health Service was in the Conservative Manifesto of 1945.

 

The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation.

 

Why do you think it is against their ideology?