Failing NHS caused by the Tories?

[Cyclone]

The conservatives appear to be deliberately engineering a failure of the NHS though, which conveniently makes it possible to spin it's privatisation.

 

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Find me the source that says a sizeable number of Tory MPs want to get rid of the NHS.

 

None of us are mind readers, find a source that says they don't... Obviously if they have a agenda they're not going to publicise it from the rooftops. Look at their actions instead of expecting them to have said it.

[I1L2T3]

So you don't have any sources then.

 

You realise the NHS was privatised more under Labour than it was under the Conservatives.

 

You also realise that a National Health Service was in the Conservative Manifesto of 1945.

 

The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation.

 

Why do you think it is against their ideology?

 

Yeah I know Labour damaged the NHS too. I'm not a Labour supporter and I'm not making these points in a partisan Labour vs Tory context.

 

They have to pretend to like the NHS. It is against their ideology because it creates a strong attachment between people and the state. Because they don't believe in state run services. And also because it represents a massive untapped commercial opportunity.

[Robin-H]

The conservatives appear to be deliberately engineering a failure of the NHS though, which conveniently makes it possible to spin it's privatisation.

 

As I said earlier, the excuse that Labour gave when they bought in private companies was that they wanted to reduce waiting times. If the Conservatives said they were bringing in private companies in order to reduce waiting times there would be outrage. Where was the outrage with the Labour Party?

[Cyclone]

I wasn't in favour of labour starting to privatise the NHS, I'm not in favour of the conservatives continuing that process after engineering a crisis.

 

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Post by "Dr Rant" on facebook.

 

Dear David Cameron. During the time you were Prime Minister, the number of hospital beds in the UK fell by 12,634. That is nearly 100 beds per acute hospital trust. Do you think that this might have something to do with why thousands of people are currently on trolleys in A+E corridors waiting for a bed to become available? Or are you going to agree with your successor, and claim that the fault is with a group of non A+E doctors working with a different set of patients in different buildings?

[El Cid]

The conservatives appear to be deliberately engineering a failure of the NHS though, which conveniently makes it possible to spin it's privatisation.

 

It may be the case that the Tories would like ti increase the 5% of private health care in the NHS.

Is it 6-7% now?

I dont think they will be able to increase it by very much, although in practice its already a mix of private and public.

Just free at the point of delivery, is the buzz words.

[Bob Arctor]

Now cancer operations are being cancelled due to lack of beds, while Theresa May claims there is no crisis.

[Jacktari]

As I said earlier, the excuse that Labour gave when they bought in private companies was that they wanted to reduce waiting times. If the Conservatives said they were bringing in private companies in order to reduce waiting times there would be outrage. Where was the outrage with the Labour Party?

 

There was lots of outrage.

it was just never mentioned, as it did not fit the agenda of the privatisers.

[Robin-H]

There was lots of outrage.

it was just never mentioned, as it did not fit the agenda of the privatisers.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. There was outrage but nobody mentioned it? By outrage I mean the plethora or headlines, newspaper articles, social media posts, angry question time audience members etc etc.

 

I don't remember anything like that. It's possible it happened and it all just passed me by, but I find that quite doubtful.

 

I'm not sure why it not fitting the 'agenda of the privatisers' meant that the outrage wasn't mentioned. Why does it fit with the agenda of the privatisers for there to be outrage when the Conservatives do it but not Labour?

[Jacktari]

I'm not sure what you mean. There was outrage but nobody mentioned it? By outrage I mean the plethora or headlines, newspaper articles, social media posts, angry question time audience members etc etc.

 

I don't remember anything like that. It's possible it happened and it all just passed me by, but I find that quite doubtful.

 

I'm not sure why it not fitting the 'agenda of the privatisers' meant that the outrage wasn't mentioned. Why does it fit with the agenda of the privatisers for there to be outrage when the Conservatives do it but not Labour?

 

I mean outrage by the actual people in the NHS, what are you burbling on about?

[Robin-H]

I mean outrage by the actual people in the NHS, what are you burbling on about?

 

I explained quite clearly what I was 'burbling' on about - indeed I gave a number of different examples. If you are having difficulty understanding I can try and explain it even more simply.

 

I'm still unsure about what you meant by the 'agenda of the privatisers' changing the amount of visible outrage. Perhaps you would care to clarify?