Is nationalism wrong?

[unbeliever]

Isn't the problem with the free movement of capital (as opposed to free movement of goods) that as soon as a group of workers has the skills and training to start asserting better wages, the companies who employ them move somewhere it can be done cheaper. For example some car manufacturers started shifting out of China as soon as the wages started going up, complaining that Chinese workers were 'too expensive'. I get that for sectors that rely on high skills this is more difficult, but there are a lot of jobs that do not rely on high skills and so the people working in those sectors have no realistic chance of doing well out of it - as soon as this happens the jobs go elsewhere.

 

It's a unending and ever evolving contest. It always has been.

We also have the advantage of better infrastructure and civil society than some states which means that our people are more productive at the same skill level.

 

 

I find it surprising that as an enthusiastic Brexiter you say that free trade benefits everyone; it seems a large number of people who voted with you did so because it's not benefited them.

 

We're a diverse bunch.

[Bob Arctor]

We're a diverse bunch.

 

lol. Do you think free trade has benefited the Clyde shipyards and Britain's steelworks?

[unbeliever]

lol. Do you think free trade has benefited the Clyde shipyards and Britain's steelworks?

 

Nope. But it certainly benefitted everybody in the UK who wanted steel. Or things made from steel. Or used or bought anything with steel somehow in the production chain.

[Bob Arctor]

Nope. But it certainly benefitted everybody in the UK who wanted steel. Or things made from steel. Or used or bought anything with steel somehow in the production chain.

 

So it hasn't benefited everybody then. I did think it odd that you'd said that and then said that it's an unending contest; I know 'contest' does not inevitably mean winners and losers but generally it does. Political events around the world do suggest that quite a lot of people feel they lost to some degree or other, whether they are right or not.

[unbeliever]

So it hasn't benefited everybody then. I did think it odd that you'd said that and then said that it's an unending contest; I know 'contest' does not inevitably mean winners and losers but generally it does. Political events around the world do suggest that quite a lot of people feel they lost to some degree or other, whether they are right or not.

 

It can benefit everybody if they're prepared to retrain and supported in doing so. The British steelworks needed to die, but the people who worked there needed more transition support.

But the alternatives just don't work long term, and in the process of trying them a great many more people lose out.

[Bob Arctor]

You are wrong on all counts as no one can be excludes on nationality alone. See section A-2 and section B-1 Exclusions, which clearly states who can apply. This is also fairly common with other councils as well.. unless you can show its not!

 

https://www.sheffieldpropertyshop.org.uk/NovaWeb/Infrastructure/ViewLibraryDocument.aspx?ObjectID=533

 

Just to add.. Being excluded because of nationality would also be racist.

 

You could also read this https://www.gov.uk/check-tenant-right-to-rent-documents/who-to-check which makes clear that non-UK nationals have lesser rights to rent than UK nationals.

 

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It can benefit everybody if they're prepared to retrain and supported in doing so. The British steelworks needed to die, but the people who worked there needed more transition support.

But the alternatives just don't work long term, and in the process of trying them a great many more people lose out.

 

Or move to Burma and work for $2.80 an hour. Do you know how much money and effort was poured into the old coal fields in this country to retrain people? It's probably made things better than they would otherwise have been but I wouldn't count it a roaring success.

[apelike]

You could also read this https://www.gov.uk/check-tenant-right-to-rent-documents/who-to-check which makes clear that non-UK nationals have lesser rights to rent than UK nationals.

 

Wasn't we discussing council and social housing?

[Bob Arctor]

Wasn't we discussing council and social housing?

 

Yes and the right to rent rules apply to some social housing allocations (those not under parts 6 and 7 of the Housing Act 1996). Did you read the other link too?

[Margarita Ma]

From the Housing Allocation and rights rights information booklet.

 

"People from outside the EEA

 

Citizens of countries from outside the EEA are generally subject to immigration control and need permission to enter or remain in the UK. The eligibility rules for England say that only some people subject to immigration control are eligible:

 

Refugees, people with discretionary leave, humanitarian protection or exceptional leave following an application for asylum, and people brought to the UK on the special settlement programme for Afghan interpreters are eligible provided their leave does not include a public funds restriction.

People with indefinite leave to remain are eligible (with some exceptions) but have to pass the habitual residence test.

Generally, people with other forms of limited leave to remain are not eligible.

Most other people from outside Europe are not eligible for housing and homelessness help. Social services departments may be able to help some people (e.g. people with social care needs) get accommodation in emergencies. There are also special services for people fleeing domestic violence. There may also be some help available from charities for people who are homeless and destitute."

 

There are also exceptions made for various reasons and under other legislation.

 

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You could also read this https://www.gov.uk/check-tenant-right-to-rent-documents/who-to-check which makes clear that non-UK nationals have lesser rights to rent than UK nationals.

 

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Check their original documents

When you’re with the tenant, you need to check that:

 

the documents are originals and belong to the tenant

their permission to stay in the UK hasn’t ended

the photos on the documents are of the tenant

the dates of birth are the same in all documents (and are believable)

the documents aren’t too damaged or don’t look like they’ve been changed

if any names are different on documents, there are supporting documents to show why, such as a marriage certificate or divorce decree

If the tenant is arranging their tenancy from overseas, you must see their original documents before they start living at the property.

 

Right to rent as you can see from the above depends on the right to be in the country. (second line of the instructions)

[Berberis]

I don't think that having pride in your nation or its achievements is wrong. What I do believe is people cant lay claim to the actions of their predecessors. Those great deeds are not inherited, only the outcome.