To drink on a weekend

[Halibut]

I suppose one could call him a beer Nazi. What a horrible concept.

[Dales]

Ignoring the facts.

 

Again.

 

Deal with the facts.

 

I offer little by way of a personal opinion, unlike most responders, but I assert I have no sympathy whatsoever for alcoholics.

 

Not one drop.

 

Facts anyone?

 

Is that a poem? It reads like one.

[TORONTONY]

no need to when people keep unnecessarily re quoting I have to keep putting my beer down to scroll through

 

Nobody taught me to cut and paste, I am from the pen and ink generation

 

---------- Post added 17-02-2017 at 09:28 ----------

 

Is that a poem? It reads like one.

 

Yeah, he used to write lyrics for Songs of Praise.

[Owethemnowt]

Alcohol is as potentially addictive as many illegal drugs, such as heroin and cocaine.

 

Those who do become addicted to alcohol often lose their marriages, jobs, families, even their lives. A large proportion of homeless people find themselves in that position as a result of their alcoholism.

 

Any drug this addictive and destructive should be illegal.

 

It is difficult to make the case for a healthy and progressive society continuing to allow the supply of alcohol.

 

Alcohol is a contributory factor to a huge proportion of crimes.

 

Exact figures vary from country to country, but in many countries alcohol is a contributory factor in 60-70% of violent crimes, including child abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, and murder.

 

All clearly unsavoury in anyone’s book.

 

The young female victims in the Rotherham sex abuse scandal were plied with alcohol in order to make them compliant in the abuse that took place.

 

Would anyone condone this drug abuse? A readily available drug that facilitated the most vile sexual abuse.

 

Alcohol is far and away the leading cause of public disorder. In short, alcohol is one of the prime causes of violence and criminality in modern society, and its banning would reduce the incidence of these crimes at a stroke.

 

Despite the fact that advertising campaigns such as those run in the UK over the past 30 years have been successful in reducing the incidence of drink driving, this success has not been mirrored in all countries. And even where it has, deaths and serious injuries caused by drunk drivers still run to the thousands each year. This is an unacceptable situation - alcohol should simply be banned as it is not being tolerated, but rather abused in the quantities that it is consumed.

 

We need consistency in our drug laws.

 

If cannabis, which some would argue is not very addictive and which results, some would say, in virtually no violent crime or public disorder, needs to be banned because of its mind-altering effects, then how much more so alcohol should be banned.

 

It is true that currently tens of thousands of people are employed by the alcoholic drinks industry. However, the fact that an immoral industry employs substantial numbers of people is never a good argument to keep that immoral industry going (similar arguments apply to the cases of prostitution and arms dealing.) Instead, a gradual process would have to be implemented, which would include governments providing funding for training for alternative careers.

 

A steel industry disappeared. As did a coal mining industry. Alternative employment has materialised due to new technologies. Unemployment levels have risen, stabilised, decreased. The beverage industry’s staff would be absorbed into alternative employment.

 

It is also true that tax revenues would be lost if alcohol were banned.

 

However, again, this is not a principled reason to reject the proposition, simply a practical problem. The tax avoidance in this country of three international businesses, if curtailed, would, alone, provide for increased revenue above what is currently unavailable.

 

It should be pointed out that the British tax payer, you and I, would save billions on police and health spending (through the reduction in crime and alcohol-related illness) which would go at least some way to offsetting the decreased tax revenues.

 

It is self evident that there is a better way.

 

Bold political decisions are needed to address the moral inequity of allowing our youth to be drawn towards the alcoholic haze that wrecks so many adult lives.

 

Logically, it is only a matter of time before society re-aligns its thinking and addresses these major social issues. We simply cannot afford to continue as we are purely in financial terms.

 

The current situation is unsustainable.

 

Hospitals are at breaking point already due to the legitimate demand placed upon them.

 

But where this demand is self inflicted, similar to that of morbid obesity or smoking then there is a moral imperative to act on behalf of the majority.

 

To argue against this is to accept that you, your children, aging parents or other family members are to be denied legitimately warranted treatment.

 

I would ask how many of you would willingly agree to step down in favour of treatment being given to an alcoholic. To accept that your child is denied a life saving liver transplant because that donor liver is to go to an alcoholic.

 

These are tough moral decisions that would need to be made. However, when they are considered carefully there really is only one choice.

 

Alcoholics should be denied treatment.

[dorberman]

Alcohol is as potentially addictive as many illegal drugs, such as heroin and cocaine.

 

Those who do become addicted to alcohol often lose their marriages, jobs, families, even their lives. A large proportion of homeless people find themselves in that position as a result of their alcoholism.

 

Any drug this addictive and destructive should be illegal.

 

It is difficult to make the case for a healthy and progressive society continuing to allow the supply of alcohol.

 

Alcohol is a contributory factor to a huge proportion of crimes.

 

Exact figures vary from country to country, but in many countries alcohol is a contributory factor in 60-70% of violent crimes, including child abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, and murder.

 

All clearly unsavoury in anyone’s book.

 

The young female victims in the Rotherham sex abuse scandal were plied with alcohol in order to make them compliant in the abuse that took place.

 

Would anyone condone this drug abuse? A readily available drug that facilitated the most vile sexual abuse.

 

Alcohol is far and away the leading cause of public disorder. In short, alcohol is one of the prime causes of violence and criminality in modern society, and its banning would reduce the incidence of these crimes at a stroke.

 

Despite the fact that advertising campaigns such as those run in the UK over the past 30 years have been successful in reducing the incidence of drink driving, this success has not been mirrored in all countries. And even where it has, deaths and serious injuries caused by drunk drivers still run to the thousands each year. This is an unacceptable situation - alcohol should simply be banned as it is not being tolerated, but rather abused in the quantities that it is consumed.

 

We need consistency in our drug laws.

 

If cannabis, which some would argue is not very addictive and which results, some would say, in virtually no violent crime or public disorder, needs to be banned because of its mind-altering effects, then how much more so alcohol should be banned.

 

It is true that currently tens of thousands of people are employed by the alcoholic drinks industry. However, the fact that an immoral industry employs substantial numbers of people is never a good argument to keep that immoral industry going (similar arguments apply to the cases of prostitution and arms dealing.) Instead, a gradual process would have to be implemented, which would include governments providing funding for training for alternative careers.

 

A steel industry disappeared. As did a coal mining industry. Alternative employment has materialised due to new technologies. Unemployment levels have risen, stabilised, decreased. The beverage industry’s staff would be absorbed into alternative employment.

 

It is also true that tax revenues would be lost if alcohol were banned.

 

However, again, this is not a principled reason to reject the proposition, simply a practical problem. The tax avoidance in this country of three international businesses, if curtailed, would, alone, provide for increased revenue above what is currently unavailable.

 

It should be pointed out that the British tax payer, you and I, would save billions on police and health spending (through the reduction in crime and alcohol-related illness) which would go at least some way to offsetting the decreased tax revenues.

 

It is self evident that there is a better way.

 

Bold political decisions are needed to address the moral inequity of allowing our youth to be drawn towards the alcoholic haze that wrecks so many adult lives.

 

Logically, it is only a matter of time before society re-aligns its thinking and addresses these major social issues. We simply cannot afford to continue as we are purely in financial terms.

 

The current situation is unsustainable.

 

Hospitals are at breaking point already due to the legitimate demand placed upon them.

 

But where this demand is self inflicted, similar to that of morbid obesity or smoking then there is a moral imperative to act on behalf of the majority.

 

To argue against this is to accept that you, your children, aging parents or other family members are to be denied legitimately warranted treatment.

 

I would ask how many of you would willingly agree to step down in favour of treatment being given to an alcoholic. To accept that your child is denied a life saving liver transplant because that donor liver is to go to an alcoholic.

 

These are tough moral decisions that would need to be made. However, when they are considered carefully there really is only one choice.

 

Alcoholics should be denied treatment.

Well your still alive.

A fact that I bet you are pleased about.

 

You are very quick to put your rights and wrongs across so may I ask you if you have ANY BLEMISH of anything that may be of the slightest of harm to yourself or others around you that you do or may use??

 

I doubt you will answer this but what the eck your an ars+ho+e:hihi::hihi:

 

---------- Post added 17-02-2017 at 20:40 ----------

 

ps. Do you want a cigar pal??

[francypants]

Owethemnowt sounds like a nice person .............. NOT !!!

 

Glad he/she isn't in my family.

[Futures Red]

Alcohol is as potentially addictive as many illegal drugs, such as heroin and cocaine.

 

Those who do become addicted to alcohol often lose their marriages, jobs, families, even their lives. A large proportion of homeless people find themselves in that position as a result of their alcoholism.

 

Any drug this addictive and destructive should be illegal.

 

It is difficult to make the case for a healthy and progressive society continuing to allow the supply of alcohol.

 

Alcohol is a contributory factor to a huge proportion of crimes.

 

Exact figures vary from country to country, but in many countries alcohol is a contributory factor in 60-70% of violent crimes, including child abuse, domestic violence, sexual assault, and murder.

 

All clearly unsavoury in anyone’s book.

 

The young female victims in the Rotherham sex abuse scandal were plied with alcohol in order to make them compliant in the abuse that took place.

 

Would anyone condone this drug abuse? A readily available drug that facilitated the most vile sexual abuse.

 

Alcohol is far and away the leading cause of public disorder. In short, alcohol is one of the prime causes of violence and criminality in modern society, and its banning would reduce the incidence of these crimes at a stroke.

 

Despite the fact that advertising campaigns such as those run in the UK over the past 30 years have been successful in reducing the incidence of drink driving, this success has not been mirrored in all countries. And even where it has, deaths and serious injuries caused by drunk drivers still run to the thousands each year. This is an unacceptable situation - alcohol should simply be banned as it is not being tolerated, but rather abused in the quantities that it is consumed.

 

We need consistency in our drug laws.

 

If cannabis, which some would argue is not very addictive and which results, some would say, in virtually no violent crime or public disorder, needs to be banned because of its mind-altering effects, then how much more so alcohol should be banned.

 

It is true that currently tens of thousands of people are employed by the alcoholic drinks industry. However, the fact that an immoral industry employs substantial numbers of people is never a good argument to keep that immoral industry going (similar arguments apply to the cases of prostitution and arms dealing.) Instead, a gradual process would have to be implemented, which would include governments providing funding for training for alternative careers.

 

A steel industry disappeared. As did a coal mining industry. Alternative employment has materialised due to new technologies. Unemployment levels have risen, stabilised, decreased. The beverage industry’s staff would be absorbed into alternative employment.

 

It is also true that tax revenues would be lost if alcohol were banned.

 

However, again, this is not a principled reason to reject the proposition, simply a practical problem. The tax avoidance in this country of three international businesses, if curtailed, would, alone, provide for increased revenue above what is currently unavailable.

 

It should be pointed out that the British tax payer, you and I, would save billions on police and health spending (through the reduction in crime and alcohol-related illness) which would go at least some way to offsetting the decreased tax revenues.

 

It is self evident that there is a better way.

 

Bold political decisions are needed to address the moral inequity of allowing our youth to be drawn towards the alcoholic haze that wrecks so many adult lives.

 

Logically, it is only a matter of time before society re-aligns its thinking and addresses these major social issues. We simply cannot afford to continue as we are purely in financial terms.

 

The current situation is unsustainable.

 

Hospitals are at breaking point already due to the legitimate demand placed upon them.

 

But where this demand is self inflicted, similar to that of morbid obesity or smoking then there is a moral imperative to act on behalf of the majority.

 

To argue against this is to accept that you, your children, aging parents or other family members are to be denied legitimately warranted treatment.

 

I would ask how many of you would willingly agree to step down in favour of treatment being given to an alcoholic. To accept that your child is denied a life saving liver transplant because that donor liver is to go to an alcoholic.

 

These are tough moral decisions that would need to be made. However, when they are considered carefully there really is only one choice.

 

Alcoholics should be denied treatment.

 

so what you saying then??

[rwillmsen]

Half a bottle of wine every ten minutes is nothing. Keeps you going til the weekend, when you can have a proper drink.

[Cyclone]

Shall we just leave him to his delusions then?

[cgksheff]

Shall we just leave him to his delusions then?

 

Unfortunately, like a bad pint, I think we may see them again!