Should Radio Hallam have its own separate Wikipedia article?

[cgksheff]

Many thanks for your input. Unfortunately, I have already raised a dispute in recent years re notable presenters being removed. It was agreed that so long as references or citations can be linked to a past presenter of the station, even if they do not have their own Wikipedia article, then that would be acceptable. But, even after this agreement, notable past presenters are still being removed. They are not being removed by Wikipedia, but by people who simply do not realise how well known these presenters were. There is now a note under 'notable presenters' in the Hallam FM article stating that all names will be removed if their names do not link to their own Wikipedia article. There are no rules on this by Wikipedia, so these people are just taking it upon themselves to lay the rules down. Even the likes of Dave Kilner, who was a great servant of, Radio Hallam, does not have his own Wikipedia article, so because of that is not deemed as a notable presenter. It is laughable beyond belief.

 

Things change.

There are rules on notable individuals that are being used to remove edits.

Read the links on the history tab.

 

Wiki has become too big to satisfy everyone.

 

Get accreditation as a star editor and you can control things at the level that you want.

 

Then, of course, you could just accept that Wiki is not the font of all knowledge and set up your own Radio Hallam website/page.

Edited February 2, 2017 by cgksheff

[diezeltruck]

This is what Wikipedia says: "Wikipedia's purpose is to "benefit readers by acting as an encyclopedia, a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge."

 

Also, Wikipedia:Editing policy:

"Be cautious with major changes: discuss

Be cautious with major changes: consider discussing them first. With large proposed deletions or replacements, it may be best to suggest changes in a discussion, to prevent edit warring and disillusioning either other editors or yourself (if your hard work is rejected by others). One person's improvement is another's desecration, and nobody likes to see their work "destroyed" without prior notice. If you choose to be very bold, take extra care to justify your changes in detail on the article talk page. This will make it less likely that editors will end up reverting the article back and forth between their preferred versions."

[TORONTONY]

Wasn't it Roger Moffat that upset a lot of listeners by suggesting that Elvis should be stuffed soon after his death? Not an isolated phenomenon.

 

Yes Jim, probably after a lunchtime session in the Old Blue Bell....lol:D

[Squiggs]

Edit: Ah, see what you mean from similar entries about other stations too

 

Still not sure what discussing on SF is likely to achieve rather than raising it with the Wikipedia community though?

Edited February 2, 2017 by Squiggs

[diezeltruck]

Edit: Ah, see what you mean from similar entries about other stations too

 

Still not sure what discussing on SF is likely to achieve rather than raising it with the Wikipedia community though?

 

Just wanted to raise awareness and find out what others thought from the region Radio Hallam broadcasted to.

 

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Then, of course, you could just accept that Wiki is not the font of all knowledge and set up your own Radio Hallam website/page.

 

Good point and idea. This is something that I have thought about for quite a while. I might just do this. I literally lived and breathed the station, as a lad, and I passionately feel that 'Radio Hallam', deserves something like that, in commemoration of how good the station was and how wonderful the presenters were. It was a very special era in local commercial radio.

Edited February 7, 2017 by diezeltruck

[Squiggs]

I know what they should do and that's merge all the Hallam FM, Viking FM etc entries into one Bauer Media page since they are all pretty much the same indistinguishable stations anyway now apart from the regional adverts

[diezeltruck]

There are at the very least two former presenters that I would consider without doubt 'notable presenters', of the former Radio Hallam. These two presenters are Roger Moffat and Dave Kilner. Roger worked for Radio Luxembourg, The Light Programme (which became Radio Two), Radio Hallam and Radio Sheffield. Dave Kilner began at Radio Hallam, in the very late 70's, and was probably their most well known and respected dj for a good 10 years at least, before he moved to Magic AM, and then latterly Peak 107 in Chesterfield, in 1998. Both of these former presenters, incredibly, do not have their own Wiki article to link to. There is also Johnny Moran, who can be seen in that famous Radio One black and white photo, taken in 1967, who later moved to Radio Hallam and who presented the Breakfast Show, again for a good decade or even longer. Johnny Moran was the first ever presenter on the station back in 1974. There are other, what I would consider iconic presenters, such as: Ray Stuart, who were also pioneers of the station, who were arguably the fabric of the station.

Edited February 7, 2017 by diezeltruck

[TORONTONY]

There are at the very least two former presenters that I would consider without doubt 'notable presenters', of the former Radio Hallam. These two presenters are Roger Moffat and Dave Kilner. Roger worked for Radio Luxembourg, The Light Programme (which became Radio Two), Radio Hallam and Radio Sheffield. Dave Kilner began at Radio Hallam, in the very late 70's, and was probably their most well known and respected dj for a good 10 years at least, before he moved to Magic AM, and then latterly Peak 107 in Chesterfield, in 1998. Both of these former presenters, incredibly, do not have their own Wiki article to link to. There is also Johnny Moran, who can be seen in that famous Radio One black and white photo, taken in 1967, who later moved to Radio Hallam and who presented the Breakfast Show, again for a good decade or even longer. There are other, what I would consider iconic presenters, such as: Ray Stuart, who were also pioneers of the station, who were arguably the fabric of the station.

 

Did Ray Stuart have a Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon show in the early gays? I used to see him often in the Dove And Rainbow on Sunday lunchtime sessions there. I assumed he was working at the time. I was always out and about on Sundays in those days, and didn't listen much to radio on Sundays.

[diezeltruck]

Did Ray Stuart have a Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon show in the early gays? I used to see him often in the Dove And Rainbow on Sunday lunchtime sessions there. I assumed he was working at the time. I was always out and about on Sundays in those days, and didn't listen much to radio on Sundays.

 

Some of the presenters, at least, used to meet up in The Dove and Rainbow, and I believe Ray Stuart also frequented The Old Blue Bell, which is now Cavell's. I used to listen to Ray Stuart on a Saturday morning for his Chart Countdown Show. which I started to listen to from early 1975, when I was nine years old, for many years after. I'm not sure if he presented a show on Sundays, but I think many of the dj's back then, were at the station most of the time. They literally lived and breathed the station. It was their life.

 

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Did Ray Stuart have a Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon show in the early days?.

 

Just checked an old Radio Hallam programme schedule and Ray Stuart did present a programme on Sundays, from 9am til midday, called 'The Top 40 Album Show' - this was in Dec. 1974, into the New Year of 1975.

[TORONTONY]

Some of the presenters, at least, used to meet up in The Dove and Rainbow, and I believe Ray Stuart also frequented The Old Blue Bell, which is now Cavell's. I used to listen to Ray Stuart on a Saturday morning for his Chart Countdown Show. which I started to listen to from early 1975, when I was nine years old, for many years after. I'm not sure if he presented a show on Sundays, but I think many of the dj's back then, were at the station most of the time. They literally lived and breathed the station. It was their life.

 

I know Roger Moffat went in the Bell a lot on weekday lunchtimes, never saw Ray there, maybe he went in at night. Saw Ray quite a bit in the 60's when he sang with a couple of bands., He died way too young RIP.