Blair wants us to 'rise up against Brexit.'

[sgtkate]

Does anyone of any ilk actually like Tony Blair? He appears to be one of the most disliked people in the UK, and rightly so.

[unbeliever]

Big Bang deregulation of the banks happened in 1986 on Thatcher's watch.

 

We've been through this so many times.

There was a serous deregulation earlier but it is irrelevant.

 

The banks were not permitted to be so leveraged that they would become insolvent the moment house prices fell until Brown and his FSA threw the rule book out the window.

This is an empirical fact which you can easily verify.

It was done to perpetuate a growth bubble and thereby sustain the preposterous illusion that Labour had brought "an end to boom and bust".

 

Some bad things that have happened can be blamed on mistakes by the Conservatives and some on Labour. This one is Labours. Sorry.

Edited February 20, 2017 by unbeliever

[Justin Smith]

Multi-millionaire Tony Blair wants us all to 'rise up against Brexit.'

 

Can I suggest we all rise up against lying, war-mongering, self-serving politicians who have not served the best interests of the British people for years, like him.

 

This post is actually even more brazenly hypocritical than I thought. What happened during the referendum was bad enough, but what happened afterwards and is still happening, is even worse. The hard core Brexiteers (like Anna here) took it upon themselves to conclude that "the people" voted to leave the single market , the customs union and every other EU institution. Bearing in mind that 48% voted to stay in the EU, it is statistically impossible, or at the very least highly unlikely, that 96% (the salient percentage for these lies to be true) of those who voted to Leave, voted to leave all EU institutions.

Liars ?

Yes, if the cap fits ?

One other apposite phrase, people who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones.....

 

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Does anyone of any ilk actually like Tony Blair? He appears to be one of the most disliked people in the UK, and rightly so.

 

I like Blair, and compared to the lot we have in now, he`s a saint.

Edited February 20, 2017 by Justin Smith

[unbeliever]

I'd write him a thank you for helping get Brexit done and done properly, if he didn't make me physically ill.

[Margarita Ma]

It's not every day a Politician advises an uprising of the people.

 

Does that mean we have carte blanche to rise up and depose anyone who displeases us? I have quite a few names on my list...

 

Get yer pitchforks ready...

 

Love it.LOL

[L00b]

Does anyone of any ilk actually like Tony Blair? He appears to be one of the most disliked people in the UK, and rightly so.

You don't ever have to like anyone, to owe them some respect where earned respect is still due.

 

And I'm afraid that, for all his character faults and foibles, but by any measure of objectivity, Blair still has more respect earned as a British PM left in his little finger, than all of May, Davis, Fox and Johnson all put together.

 

Much as I dislike the man, and as it pains me to say all that. I believe that is precisely the sort of situations for which the adjective "begrudgingly" was designed in the British language.

 

But well. This is the age of fake messages and messenger shooting. Draw your own conclusions.

[unbeliever]

You don't ever have to like anyone, to owe them some respect where earned respect is still due.

 

And I'm afraid that, for all his character faults and foibles, but by any measure of objectivity, Blair still has more respect earned as a British PM left in his little finger, than all of May, Davis, Fox and Johnson all put together.

 

Much as I dislike the man, and as it pains me to say all that. I believe that is precisely the sort of situations for which the adjective "begrudgingly" was designed in the British language.

 

Good word.

Thing is he lied to Parliament to trick us (he certainly tricked me) into supporting the Iraq war. I would probably have supported it anyway, but that doesn't mean I forgive the lie.

You don't lie to parliament, and you certainly don't lie over the matter of whether to go to war. I'm against the criminalisation of politics in general, but I do think he should be tried to determine if he has committed an imprisonable offence.

[sgtkate]

You don't ever have to like anyone, to owe them some respect where earned respect is still due.

 

And I'm afraid that, for all his character faults and foibles, but by any measure of objectivity, Blair still has more respect earned as a British PM left in his little finger, than all of May, Davis, Fox and Johnson all put together.

 

Much as I dislike the man, and as it pains me to say all that. I believe that is precisely the sort of situations for which the adjective "begrudgingly" was designed in the British language.

 

But well. This is the age of fake messages and messenger shooting. Draw your own conclusions.

 

I will never be able to hold any respect for a man who knowingly lied to get us into a war. So far neither Trump, May, Farage nor Johnson have achieved the death and suffering Blair did. So not even begrudging respect here. Just because he managed to not throw his teddy at the media via twitter does not make him worthy of anyones respect.

 

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Good word.

Thing is he lied to Parliament to trick us (he certainly tricked me) into supporting the Iraq war. I would probably have supported it anyway, but that doesn't mean I forgive the lie.

You don't lie to parliament, and you certainly don't lie over the matter of whether to go to war. I'm against the criminalisation of politics in general, but I do think he should be tried to determine if he has committed an imprisonable offence.

 

This. 100% this. Well except I didn't support the Iraq war even with his lies.

[gomgeg]

This post is actually even more brazenly hypocritical than I thought. What happened during the referendum was bad enough, but what happened afterwards and is still happening, is even worse. The hard core Brexiteers (like Anna here) took it upon themselves to conclude that "the people" voted to leave the single market , the customs union and every other EU institution. Bearing in mind that 48% voted to stay in the EU, it is statistically impossible, or at the very least highly unlikely, that 96% (the salient percentage for these lies to be true) of those who voted to Leave, voted to leave all EU institutions.

Liars ?

Yes, if the cap fits ?

One other apposite phrase, people who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones.....

 

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I like Blair, and compared to the lot we have in now, he`s a saint.

I think you're correct Justin, you wouldn't believe how some people make up stories.

One bloke on SF said his nephew voted for brexit because he believed the 350 million story, then regretted it.

Then a few weeks later told exactly the same story but this time it was his cousin. Unbelievable.

Hang about a bit, sorry it was you wasn't it Justin.

[L00b]

Good word.

Thing is he lied to Parliament to trick us (he certainly tricked me) into supporting the Iraq war. I would probably have supported it anyway, but that doesn't mean I forgive the lie.

Didn't have you down as that naïve. Or perhaps you're younger than I thought.

You don't lie to parliament, and you certainly don't lie over the matter of whether to go to war. I'm against the criminalisation of politics in general, but I do think he should be tried to determine if he has committed an imprisonable offence.

Would you visit the same treatment upon lying Leavers and UKIPpers?

 

Blair made the UK into the 21st century economic powerhouse which it still is (for now). Not Cameron. Not Brown. Not Maggie. Not Major. Not Churchill.

 

3 GE wins on the trot, after taking the helm of an "unelectable party", say that the man deserves respect as a consummate statesman and policymaker. Name any politician of his stature in the UK in the last decade. There (still) isn't one.

 

That was the full scope of the point I made, I did not elevate him as some sort of politicised moral benchmark or paragon of virtue.

 

Or let's just let the haters hate. As usual these days, can't hear oneself for the dog whistling.

Edited February 20, 2017 by L00b