Can you be clamped/fined for expired MOT?

[Cyclone]

That would be contrary to everything else publicly announced about the change.

 

The Government’s Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) said: ‘Motorists will no longer have to search for their insurance certificates when they tax their cars.

‘They will still have to have valid insurance but they won’t be asked to show it.’

Police and the authorities can now make automatic online checks on whether a car is covered by cross-referencing the vehicle’s number plate with the DVLA and insurance industry databases.

 

And the policy announcement on the .gov website is here

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dvla-announce-plans-to-cut-red-tape-by-removing-insurance-check-when-taxing-a-vehicle

 

I'm sure that Obelix will accept your apology though.

 

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Sorry, did the OP say it was on private land, this whole this is a waste of time

 

No, they said on the street outside the garage.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Cyclone

[peak4]

To save me typing it all out again, I covered some if this, with appropriate links In this post last year.

[ivan edake]

To save me typing it all out again, I covered some if this, with appropriate links In this post last year.

 

Thanks Peak4,I have just checked your link and this explains it all,you don't need insurance to tax your car but you do to use it obviously.What I did to check this was, tax the car then ring the insurance company five minutes later.If the doubters E.Mail the dvla they will confirm this,there is also a pdf on gov uk.

[Obelix]

Hi Obelix.Yes I have seen this press release,however I wrote to the dvla concerning this matter.I told them I was buying another car and whilst I could ring up my insurance company and obtain immediate insurance it would probably take about 10 days for the certificate to arrive, and from past experience Iknew it sometimes took the insurance company a fortnight to put it on the database so would I have to sorn the car untill I had proof of insurance.They wrote back saying that insurance checks were no longer made at the point of taxation,.I tried it out and taxed it before I insured it (it showed as uninsured on the database),I had no problems getting the tax.Check with the dvla or have a look on gov.uk,you will find out I am right.

 

No matter how much you think you are right you are still wrong.

 

The DVLA links put up and the process show abundantly clearly that there is an absolute requirement for the vehicle to be insured. I'm sorry if you find this tricky.

 

http://ask.co-opinsurance.co.uk/help/car_insurance/tax_without_cert

 

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/tax-insurance-and-warranties/2013-12/drivers-no-longer-need-to-show-insurance-certificate-to-get-road-tax/

 

https://www.directline.com/car-insurance/advice/motoring/renew-car-tax-online

 

In each case you will see that you dont have to take the insurance certtificate and in each case they check online instead to see if it's insured.

 

You are conflating "no certificated needed" and think that means "no check made". A check is made every single time, and of an MOT as well.

 

I'm certain I'm not going to get the apology - see if you hadn't demanded it from me I'd not go so far as to rub your nose in it. But if you want to have any dignity then please feel free to offer your apology for being wrong.

[peak4]

Obelix, yes there is a legal requirement for the vehicle to be insured under the CI rules.

However that responsibility to comply when applying for the VED, is placed upon the motorist; The DVLA will then do regular data scrapes to pick out, and write to, those who have failed in fulfilling their legal obligations.

I believe that the first contact is a reminder before prosecution is commenced.

 

From the second link I posted previously (on p6.)

Motorists will now be able to tax their vehicle at the

Post Office® without having to show any evidence they have insurance.

Furthermore, car tax applications made online will not be validated against

the MID before they can be accepted. (my emboldening)

 

i.e. it is cross checked, but not at the point of purchase of the VED, only subsequently.

(unless you're in Northern ireland, when I think you still need to produce an insurance certificate when buying VED at a Post office)

 

CIE gives DVLA the ability to identify each month those who keep

uninsured vehicles in a way previously not possible.

Edited February 23, 2017 by peak4

[Cyclone]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/267400/Annex_A_-_consultation_responses_summary.pdf

 

It does seem like the check was removed.

 

So some of the DVLA pages are actually out of date when they refer to a check being done.

 

Obelix is right that there is a requirement for the vehicle to be insured, but there is no check done at the point of taxation by the look of it.

[ivan edake]

No matter how much you think you are right you are still wrong.

 

The DVLA links put up and the process show abundantly clearly that there is an absolute requirement for the vehicle to be insured. I'm sorry if you find this tricky.

 

http://ask.co-opinsurance.co.uk/help/car_insurance/tax_without_cert

 

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/tax-insurance-and-warranties/2013-12/drivers-no-longer-need-to-show-insurance-certificate-to-get-road-tax/

 

https://www.directline.com/car-insurance/advice/motoring/renew-car-tax-online

 

In each case you will see that you dont have to take the insurance certtificate and in each case they check online instead to see if it's insured.

 

You are conflating "no certificated needed" and think that means "no check made". A check is made every single time, and of an MOT as well.

 

I'm certain I'm not going to get the apology - see if you hadn't demanded it from me I'd not go so far as to rub your nose in it. But if you want to have any dignity then please feel free to offer your apology for being wrong.

 

You are still wrong,there is no insurance check done at the point of taxation,therefore you can get an uninsured car taxed,not that there is any point in doing this unless you are going to insure the car.I just did it that way round to prove to myself that it could be done.I would also like to say that most sites,including the post office,still say an insurance check is done,even the assistant at the post office still thought the scan she did was checking insurance as well as tax.The government is to blame,they have made everything as clear as mud as usual,and produced too many grey areas.I will not ask for an apology.

Edited February 24, 2017 by ivan edake
missed word

[Dardandec]

Failing an MoT test doesnt necessarily mean its unroadworty though

 

Of course you are correct with that statement, but there is a minimum standard for driving a vehicle on the public highway. If you're vehicle doesn't meet that minimum standard you are committing an offence.

[El Cid]

Just watching the police program on channel five, a PC said a car had triggered a ANPR camera 39 times because it did not have a MOT, no MOT is obviously not a priority for the police.

[Cyclone]

Triggering ANPR (the fixed kind) doesn't somehow magic a police car to the location...