redfox Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 They concede that there has not been a single prosecution, even though the crime in question has been committed multiple times. Then they seek to justify that. You cannot reasonably interpret this conversation as anything other than a policy of letting FGM perpetrators off. They're not saying it's okay. They're saying that their policy is to forgive and understand it and seek to educate the offenders on the error of their ways. That's insane for a crime of this nature. It is not the police who determine who is to be prosecuted and what for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 It is not the police who determine who is to be prosecuted and what for. True, but they do have powers of arrest and the file for prosecution is sent to the CPS. But if they don't arrest, the courts cannot take action. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/fgm-should-not-prosecuted-police-force-says-claims-best-course/ the best course of action is to “educate parents”. Load of rubbish. You can't educate them into changing their beliefs or culture, no matter how wrong it is. A case of female genital mutilation (FGM) is either discovered or treated at a medical appointment in England every hour, a charity has said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38878298 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfox Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 True, but they do have powers of arrest and the file for prosecution is sent to the CPS. But if they don't arrest, the courts cannot take action. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/fgm-should-not-prosecuted-police-force-says-claims-best-course/ The reality is that parents are hardly likely to go telling nor are victims - any medical professional involved is not going to pick up the phone to the police either. The police need evidence as well you know it not simply to arrest but also provide for CPS to consider. It may well be that there are many such incidents taking place how would you suggest they go about it. Where is the EVIDENCE coming from? They might imply a better author for the tweets they put out mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 The reality is that parents are hardly likely to go telling nor are victims - any medical professional involved is not going to pick up the phone to the police either. The police need evidence as well you know it not simply to arrest but also provide for CPS to consider. It may well be that there are many such incidents taking place how would you suggest they go about it. Where is the EVIDENCE coming from? They might imply a better author for the tweets they put out mind you. Victims do tell. And if medical professionals don't then they really should. This is a crime where there is necessarily physical evidence. It must be a hell of a lot easier to secure a conviction than some other crimes. There's no way out of this. The police are wilfully letting people off mutilating children. Either because they don't care about these specific children, or because they're scared of the politics involved in prosecuting the offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The reality is that parents are hardly likely to go telling nor are victims - any medical professional involved is not going to pick up the phone to the police either. The police need evidence as well you know it not simply to arrest but also provide for CPS to consider. It may well be that there are many such incidents taking place how would you suggest they go about it. Where is the EVIDENCE coming from? They might imply a better author for the tweets they put out mind you. Don't medical professionals legally have to report it when they suspect abuse? Unlike bruises or breaks, FGM can only be as a result of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Victims do tell. And if medical professionals don't then they really should. Medical and education professionals have a legal duty to report suspected cases of FGM in those under 18 to the police. This is a personal responsibility and failing to make a report can have serious consequences for the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Medical and education professionals have a legal duty to report suspected cases of FGM in those under 18 to the police. This is a personal responsibility and failing to make a report can have serious consequences for the individual. And another good law is not being enforced. I'm aghast. I can't work out whether that don't give a crap because they're prejudiced or they're so scared of being falsely accused of prejudice that they're content to allow this horrific practise to go unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Don't medical professionals legally have to report it when they suspect abuse? Unlike bruises or breaks, FGM can only be as a result of abuse. Not just medical professionals. All adults who work with children have to do FGM training and report any concerns, no matter how small. Its incredibly frustrating when you find out that you're doing your job and its being stopped at a higher level. Do we need another Victoria Climbie type death where inter-agency failings are to blame so "lessons can be learned"? any medical professional involved is not going to pick up the phone to the police either. Not true. Mandatory reporting of female genital mutilation: procedural information https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mandatory-reporting-of-female-genital-mutilation-procedural-information Edited February 28, 2017 by alchresearch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgksheff Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 West Midlands Police have confirmed that they will prosecute when it is the best interests of the child. I can understand how imprisoning parents may not be in the child's best interest. They should, however, go after the cutters with a vengeance. I still do not think that the police should be deciding whether a case goes forward and what sentences may be appropriate. Their job is to follow up crimes, find evidence and charge suspects. Prosecuting cases and sentencing should be left to the CPS and the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfox Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 [/color] Not true. Mandatory reporting of female genital mutilation: procedural information https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mandatory-reporting-of-female-genital-mutilation-procedural-information which bit is not true then ? The medic who performed the procedure picking the phone up part ? It maybe explains why there have been so few prosecutions doesn't it ! If its so well known why have so few reports of it been made and prosecutions launched please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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