The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[NigelFargate]

where has unbeliever gone? He used to be the mainstay of this thread

[Jacktari]

where has unbeliever gone? He used to be the mainstay of this thread

 

He is probably suffering from exhaustion.

[Carlinate]

I thought we were negotiating with the EU Commission. A cabinet government with a president which although made up of 28 member countries swears an allegiance to the EU and not the country they come from. Any final final agreement/deal by them then gets put to a vote by the others.

 

Basically the Commission brokers the deal and we will not negotiate with the other 27 as that is forbidden.

 

Whilst an individual country can't veto the treaty regarding the UK withdrawal they can veto any new deals negotiated regarding our ongoing relationship with the EU after withdrawal.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjqma--87_TAhWLK8AKHcf8A6cQFggrMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffullfact.org%2Feurope%2Feu-veto-brexit-deal%2F&usg=AFQjCNHl97-NO5vWIaozQ7OkrOZaoxcDKg

 

A while back Romania used a veto against a trade deal with Canada that the other 27 including the UK had agreed to.

 

As to the oath to the EU commission, that isn't in any way draconian or indeed unnecessary. It's an oath promising to be independent with regard to business which concerns all of the EU. Having members showing national bias in discussions which deal with Union business would be a recipe for chaos, argument and getting sod all done.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2z_ay9b_TAhUfM8AKHURfCc4QFggrMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fcommission%2Fcommissioners%2F2014-2019%2Fcretu%2Fblog%2Foath-independence_en&usg=AFQjCNEvQrzFID7Wz7W_CJOAMOWvB0GQ1g

 

Personally I can't see any problem with that oath.

[Jacktari]

Farage is no longer standing as an English MP.

 

I wonder if he has finally realised we are not going to leave the EU, and has decided to hold on to his old job of making a fool of himself, and England, in the European parliament.

He is a great on for the gravy train after all, and Donald has back-heeled him now he is of no further use.

[NigelFargate]

Whilst an individual country can't veto the treaty regarding the UK withdrawal they can veto any new deals negotiated regarding our ongoing relationship with the EU after withdrawal.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjqma--87_TAhWLK8AKHcf8A6cQFggrMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffullfact.org%2Feurope%2Feu-veto-brexit-deal%2F&usg=AFQjCNHl97-NO5vWIaozQ7OkrOZaoxcDKg

 

A while back Romania used a veto against a trade deal with Canada that the other 27 including the UK had agreed to.

 

As to the oath to the EU commission, that isn't in any way draconian or indeed unnecessary. It's an oath promising to be independent with regard to business which concerns all of the EU. Having members showing national bias in discussions which deal with Union business would be a recipe for chaos, argument and getting sod all done.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2z_ay9b_TAhUfM8AKHURfCc4QFggrMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fcommission%2Fcommissioners%2F2014-2019%2Fcretu%2Fblog%2Foath-independence_en&usg=AFQjCNEvQrzFID7Wz7W_CJOAMOWvB0GQ1g

 

Personally I can't see any problem with that oath.

 

It is not quite as simple as that, which is why the member states seek to influence the allocation of portfolios (so that 'their' commissioner has the trade portfolio, for example). As member states nominate the people who become commissioners, this gives them indirect influence over the policy positions and perspectives of the Commission as a whole.

[apelike]

Farage is no longer standing as an English MP.

 

Lots of others are also not standing for re-election either.

 

I wonder if he has finally realised we are not going to leave the EU,

 

In your dreams..

[L00b]

I thought we were negotiating with the EU Commission. A cabinet government with a president which although made up of 28 member countries swears an allegiance to the EU and not the country they come from.

We (well, you-) are not.

 

You are negotiating with the EU27 through the Commission.

Any final final agreement/deal by them then gets put to a vote by the others.

 

Basically the Commission brokers the deal and we will not negotiate with the other 27 as that is forbidden.

The Commission brokers the deal indeed: it is the interfacing mouthpiece.

 

Its negotiating positions are informed and fed by each of the EU27, who will be meeting regularly at EU Council meetings (and in-between of course) to haggle compromises between themselves.

 

Which is precisely why May was told right away by Verhofstadt and Junckers not to try and 'divide & conquer' behind the scenes ahead of the negotiations, and why Verhofstadt and Junckers have equally appealed for unity of purpose amongst the EU27 all the way through.

[silentP]

Right,it's not like there aren't other people from outside the club saying roughly similar things:

 

 

Tim Martin, the founder of pub chain JD Wetherspoon and a vocal Brexit campaigner, said Britain could not afford to put the brake on immigration. He called for a special deal for EU workers which took advantage of its proximity compared with countries such as India and China.

“For the UK to be a successful country and economy in the next 20, 30, 50 years, we need a gradually rising population and that will need some type of reasonably controlled immigration. If we don’t get it I think the economy will tend to go backwards,” he said.

 

Missed this one.

 

Would we not/do we not get a gradual increase in population with child birth rates year on year?

[Carlinate]

It is not quite as simple as that, which is why the member states seek to influence the allocation of portfolios (so that 'their' commissioner has the trade portfolio, for example). As member states nominate the people who become commissioners, this gives them indirect influence over the policy positions and perspectives of the Commission as a whole.

 

Oh I didn't think for a moment that it was that simple, nothing ever is, particularly when it comes to politics.

 

What I was pointing out was that the oath isn't in any way a sinister inclusion in the EU rules, it's just a ( less than totally successful ) attempt to try to persuade commission members to leave their national bias out of discussions.

 

Human nature and political shenanigans virtually make that impossible, but I suppose they had to go through the motions and at least try to look as if impartiality rules the day.

[tzijlstra]

God no it wasn't in reference to any one attack.

Some here in the UK have an unerring tendency to link migration to terrorism, the question I'm asking is if we were not the victims of such attacks would we still have a problem with people coming to our country. I'm well aware that we have home grown degenerates.

 

There is nothing wrong with nationalism, I am a Frisian nationalist and I am proud of my heritage. There is something wrong with using nationalism as a pretext to identify with others based on matters such as race, background and heritage.

 

So identifying immigrants with terrorists based on the (overstated and hyped) 'terrorism' that is occurring is the wrong sort of nationalism.