The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

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What are you talking about? Whos going to lose their jobs?

 

The UK is stronger than it has been since 2008.

 

Companies like Google, Facebook and McDonald's are setting up their head offices in the UK. The apocalypse didn't happen.

 

The rest of Europe is a mess. Being propped up by France, Germany and the UK.

 

And how do you know the future of the UK when no one else has a clue what we'll get from the EU?

 

Your politics seems to come from a crystal ball.

 

Actually it comes from my job working with companies that are planning to relocate parts of their operations into the EU. I deal with this every day.

 

Unless we avoid a hard Brexit there will be substantial lob losses. Estimates for the City alone approach 250,000

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Actually it comes from my job working with companies that are planning to relocate parts of their operations into the EU. I deal with this every day.

 

Unless we avoid a hard Brexit there will be substantial lob losses. Estimates for the City alone approach 250,000

 

There is no hard or soft Brexit. Just Brexit.

 

Which involves stopping the free movement of people and leaving the single market. That's it.

 

Losing 250,000 jobs seems high but at least we dont have to take 500,000 increases of net migration year on year if we choose not to.

 

And does your company deal with growth? Because remainers seem to always ignore that part.

[Carlinate]

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In a post-Brexit world the EU won't have the legal or political jurisdiction to act as Britain's gatekeeper. The libertarian (political) advantage of this will be felt first with the economic advantages taking a little longer to materialize.

 

Wishful thinking in my view.

 

How come Germany,Italy,France and the Netherlands are all more successful countries in export terms than the UK despite all being in the EU?

 

As far as the German Finance Ministers words are concerned I'm pretty sure you must be aware that he was referring to the situation immediately following Brexit.

 

We will not leave with agreements with the EU which are better than those in place with the remaining 27 members.

 

What happens after that neither the Finance Minister nor you have any idea.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Carlinate

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Wishful thinking in my view.

 

How come Germany,Italy,France and the Netherlands are all more successful countries in export terms than the UK despite all being in the UK?

 

As far as the German Finance Ministers words are concerned I'm pretty sure you must be aware that he was referring to the situation immediately following Brexit.

 

We will not leave with agreements with the EU which are better than those in place with the remaining 27 members.

 

What happens after that neither the Finance Minister nor you have any idea.

 

Is it because they export to the UK?

[chalga]

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The EU27 are meeting to unify their position against Britain and it's absolutely clear they do not want Britain to make a success of Brexit.

 

As I said in an earlier post the biggest threat to the remaining EU27 is Britain leaving the EU and making a success of it.

 

Within the last 24 hours Germany's finance minister has said:

 

"The UK will not have advantages over the remaining 27 EU countries after Brexit negotiations conclude. There is no free lunch. Britons must know that."

 

With sentiments like that I can only imagine the Conservatives picking up even more votes.

 

The EU don't have anything to do with the UK making a success of Brexit,that is totally in the hands of the UK itself.The EU are only interested in getting the best deal for countries and people in the EU,it's still something that a lot of people in the UK find difficult to grasp,the sooner you do,the more you'll stop blaming the EU for all your problems and everyone can move on.

[Carlinate]

The steel industry is a prime example.

 

Uncompetitive because we cannot set our own tariffs. Our tariffs are set by the EU to benefit china more than Europe.

 

While the Chinese regularly change their tariffs to undercut the EU.

 

Madness

 

This is a brilliant example of the lack of knowledge of many of those on the Leave side.

 

You appear completely unaware that the EU attempted to bring in tariffs to prevent China flooding the market with cheap steel and the UK government voted against it in order to suck up to China at the expense of our steel industry.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwie8d_w3cnTAhWjC8AKHT0QDU4QFgg2MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fbusiness%2F2016%2F03%2F30%2Fbritain-sacrifices-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china%2F&usg=AFQjCNE8BdxLvAXpvZfxpXVG-y-GYQ-lvw

 

Read that, two myths exploded in one go, Britain has no power in Europe, and the British government will always look after our industry.

 

That was the Conservatives and no doubt many Brexiteers are happy to vote for them giving them total power over the country. A party that always has and always will favour the City of London and the South East over the rest of the UK.

[Puggie]

And if people lose their jobs because of Brexit......

 

If a 23 year old Bulgarian makes their way to Britain in search for work should they be officially classed as unemployed?

 

We are forced to use the EU's Eurostat methodology when calculating economic activity which is great if you're an economist making intra-EU comparisons but terrible if you're a nationalist trying to put your fellow countrymen first.

 

Once we leave the EU we can re-visit our methodologies and craft a new fairer British standard which is compliant with international standards under ILO methodology rules.

[chalga]

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In a post-Brexit world the EU won't have the legal or political jurisdiction to act as Britain's gatekeeper. The libertarian (political) advantage of this will be felt first with the economic advantages taking a little longer to materialize.

 

That's nothing to do with getting access to the single market without any of the disadvantages to leavers,if you are that confident of the future,walk away now from trying to get access to something you just voted out of.

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The steel industry is a prime example.

 

Uncompetitive because we cannot set our own tariffs. Our tariffs are set by the EU to benefit china more than Europe.

 

While the Chinese regularly change their tariffs to undercut the EU.

 

Madness

When the EU tried to raise tariffs on Chinese steel the UK lead efforts to block it.

Britain acted as the ringleader in blocking attempts to regulate cheap Chinese steel entering Europe, despite warnings that the continent’s steel industry was in crisis, the European Steel Association (Eurofer) has said.

 

Charles de Lusignan, a spokesman for Eurofer, which represents steel production in the European Union, said the organisation had argued for the lifting of the lesser duty rule, which prevents increased tariffs being placed on cheap imports to the EU from China.

 

“The fact is that the UK has been blocking this. They are not the only member state, but they are certainly the ringleader in blocking the lifting of the lesser duty rule,” he told the BBC’s Today programme.

 

The steel industry is a prime example and the madness comes from blaming something you don't like that involves the EU on the EU without looking at the part our government has played in it. Outside the EU our government might have been in a position to raise tariffs on Chinese steel but they absolutely wouldn't have done so.

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Why does anyone think that leaving the most successful and wealthiest Trade Bloc in the world would be accomplished without detriment to the country?

 

I agree there may be some detriment but how much is just a guess. The problem is the EU trade block as a whole may be the wealthiest but when you break it down into individual countries its a totally different picture.

 

These countries sell more to us than we do to them: Germany around £26 billion, the next nearest are Spain, Belgium, Netherlands and France with between £5-10 billion. 17 countries are between £0-4 billion and the rest buy more from us than we buy from them. It shows that there is a lot of variation in trade with individual countries.

 

The German Finance Minister made an obvious true statement of fact which should have been plain to anyone who gave it a moments thought, and you chose to interpret it as an aggressive anti UK sentiment.

 

It was anti UK sentiment as they are the ones who will lose out most from Brexit.