The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[I1L2T3]

There is no hard or soft Brexit. Just Brexit.

 

Which involves stopping the free movement of people and leaving the single market. That's it.

 

Losing 250,000 jobs seems high but at least we dont have to take 500,000 increases of net migration year on year if we choose not to.

 

And does your company deal with growth? Because remainers seem to always ignore that part.

 

When have we had 500,000 net immigration?

 

Never mate! There is really no need to tell lies.

[chalga]

I agree there may be some detriment but how much is just a guess. The problem is the EU trade block as a whole may be the wealthiest but when you break it down into individual countries its a totally different picture.

 

These countries sell more to us than we do to them: Germany around £26 billion, the next nearest are Spain, Belgium, Netherlands and France with between £5-10 billion. 17 countries are between £0-4 billion and the rest buy more from us than we buy from them. It shows that there is a lot of variation in trade with individual countries.

 

 

 

It was anti UK sentiment as they are the ones who will lose out most from Brexit.

 

Does Merkel seem bothered?

[Hairyloon]

​The EU27 are meeting to unify their position...

 

Well fancy that: a union showing unity. Anybody might think the words were derived from a common root.

[SkylinePhoto]

When have we had 500,000 net immigration?

 

Never mate! There is really no need to tell lies.

 

The 350,000 of the official figures which are probably manipulated anyway andf the 150,000 or more that we dont know about.

 

Anyway, getting bogged down by figures.

 

Brexit is happening so you can either contribute or moan about it.

 

Get behind team UK

[Carlinate]

Is it because they export to the UK?

 

Hardly, not one single EU member has the UK as it's main trading partner.

 

Only three relatively small countries Ireland, Poland and Cyprus have the UK as second trading partner.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi4k6C24cnTAhVkKMAKHTtdAR0QFghFMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.niesr.ac.uk%2Fblog%2Fafter-brexit-how-important-would-uk-trade-be-eu&usg=AFQjCNGnV3PndF1jO8vtSFXOa0S_Fht_pQ

 

Scroll down to the listing of First, Second and Third trading partners, it isn't particularly inspiring as far as we are concerned.

 

What a lot of people seem to be missing here is that 44% of our exports go to the EU and less than 10% of EU exports come to us.

 

That 10% is divided between the EU countries but they are negotiating as a single entity.

 

If they were to decide to play hardball they could compensate the few EU countries that would be most effected by our leaving and pull the rug out from under us.

 

Back to three day working weeks which we had before joining!

 

I don't think that that will happen, this is business, cool heads and rationality are the order of the day.

 

On the other hand looking at some of the pompous arrogant windbags we have speaking on our behalf anything could happen!

[chalga]

The heads of the remaining 27 countries agreed to adopt the draft guidelines issued by Donald Tusk last month less than 15 minutes into a special summit in Brussels on Saturday.

 

The European council president tweeted that a “firm and fair political mandate” for the negotiations was now ready. A senior EU source said the leaders’ decision took only one minute of discussion.

 

 

 

When the formal negotiations between the EU and the UK begin in June, the British government will be told it needs to resolve the key divorce issues of citizens’ rights, the estimated €60bn (£51bn) divorce bill and the Irish border before any talks on a future trade deal can begin.

 

As he arrived at the summit earlier in the day, the French president, François Hollande, said: “There will inevitably be a price and a cost for Britain, it’s the choice they made.

 

“We must not be punitive, but at the same time it’s clear that Europe knows how to defend its interests, and that Britain will have a less good position outside the EU than in the EU.”

 

The comments were echoed by the Belgian prime minister, Charles Michel, who said there was no such thing as a “free Brexit”.

 

Asked about the British prime minister’s claim that she will be strengthened by an election victory, Hollande, who is now in his last week as president, said: “That is an election argument that I can understand, but this is not an argument against the European Union. Why? Because the bases, the principles, the objectives are already fixed. These will be the lines that will be chosen by the negotiators and there will be no others.”

 

Luxembourg’s prime minister, Xavier Bettel, also ruled out the idead of Theresa May gaining any advantage from an election win. “It’s an internal problem she wants to resolve in the Conservative party, to have not a hard Brexit or a soft Brexit, but Theresa’s Brexit,” he said. “We are very united. You seem surprised, but it’s a fact.”

 

The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, said it was in Britain’s interests for the EU to be unified, as it would boost the chances of a deal.

 

 

“This extraordinary meeting shows the unity of the 27 on a clear line, but this unity is not directed against Britain, I think that it is also in its interest,” he said.

 

The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, said that only once there was sufficient trust between the EU nations and Britain on the core issues could both sides proceed to discuss future relations.

 

 

 

Rutte, who stressed the importance of Britain to the Dutch economy, told reporters that “as you get to a certain level, as far as possible, and say now we are confident about this, then we have to swiftly start talking about the future relationships trade and also politics”.

 

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, had earlier in the week accused some in the UK of being deluded about the consequences of leaving the EU, but offered a softer tone in Brussels.

 

“We want to have good relations with Great Britain in the future, but we want to represent our interests as the 27. So far this has been a real success”, she said.

 

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The 350,000 of the official figures which are probably manipulated anyway andf the 150,000 or more that we dont know about.

 

Anyway, getting bogged down by figures.

 

Brexit is happening so you can either contribute or moan about it.

 

Get behind team UK

 

You seem to have got bogged down by facts.

Edited April 29, 2017 by chalga

[Puggie]

Chalga please don't copy/paste an entire article, give us the link instead

[chalga]

Chalga please don't copy/paste an entire article, give us the link instead

 

You'll get the article,like it or not.

[Puggie]

I am just saying it's easier to have a conversation with smaller snippets on here

[apelike]

Chalga please don't copy/paste an entire article, give us the link instead

 

I agree, then it is possible to check the facts directly and also verify the authorship of the article.

 

So can you also supply the link?