The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[Puggie]

And now his disrespect of the democratic vote has assured me that i voted correctly.

 

Just look how the EU Commission are getting involved in French domestic elections by favouring Macron over Le Pen.

 

Macron isn't happy about this because he knows it could backfire as French voters turn to Le Pen in protest of EU meddling.

[NigelFargate]

Why not the Uk vote then?

 

 

 

The European Union "respects and regrets" Britain's decision to leave but is not at risk from Brexit, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has said in a keynote speech.

 

Juncker used his annual State of the Union speech to reject claims Britain's exit signalled the start of a breakdown of the European political project.

 

"Allow me to state here and today that we respect and at the same time regret the UK decision but the European Union as such is not at risk," he said.

 

This is just EU waffle and spin. For Juncker's real opinions, I suggest you look up what he has been reported to have said 'off the record'.

[chalga]

This is just EU waffle and spin. For Juncker's real opinions, I suggest you look up what he has been reported to have said 'off the record'.

 

No,it's not waffle and spin,it's a direct quote.

Not that it matters,you're out,and nothing Juncker would have said one way or the other would have affected how people voted,so all you are creating is more anti EU noise,just for the sake of creating it.

[Carlinate]

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Doesn't that just highlight the EU's indended direction of travel?

 

Should we really be jumping for joy whilst the rest of the European Union destroys every last ounce of nationalism in exchange for a federalist super-state?

 

The EU project is no longer about trade and doing business with one another. If it was we probably wouldn't be here talking about leaving the EU today.

 

The European political project has been engineering itself into a pariah with grand ambitions of building castles in the sky with it's own national anthem and national army. They despise the very idea of national identity and pride in one's own country. They've made it politically unacceptable to celebrate being British. Europeanization of our national identity is to blame for this and its been well documented.

 

Not too long ago it was acceptable to be British and proud of it. Enjoying the good feelings of patriotism was acceptable by many people across all segments of our society.

 

During the last 2015 General Election there was only one mainstream party that was brave enough to include our national flag in their manifesto. It was the Conservative party.

 

Let me point out something which you appear to be unaware of, or at least somewhat unconcerned about.

 

I had mixed parentage, English father Irish mother. Having lived in both countries I feel that I have a reasonably informed view of the history linking both countries.

 

The 'connection' has gone on for over 800 years and mainly to the detriment of Ireland.

 

Over those years the English/British have done everything that they could to subjugate the Irish population and turn them into replica Brits.

 

Among other things they banned the language, outlawed the religion, stole the land and gave it to absentee landlords, they drove the native Irish out of North East Ireland and installed 'planters' in their place.

 

When all this failed for seven years from 1845 onward they committed genocide against the population. There was no 'Famine', a famine is a shortage of food, there was more than sufficient food produced in Ireland over that period, it was exported to England under armed military escort and over a million starved to death and another million plus emigrated.

 

Why am I bringing this up?

 

You are apparently terrified of a non aggressive political union which despite many faults is designed to benefit its members.

 

You are that concerned that the British are such a bunch of weaklings that they'll lose their identity and love of country?

 

The Irish identity survived all that and is intact and thriving.

 

What is so fragile about the English/British psyche that it can't be allowed to mix with and befriend foreigners?

 

Who's stopping anyone flying a flag if they want to? Who's stopping anyone celebrating St Georges day?

 

No one is, but apparently people would rather moan about it than actually do something!

 

There will, as the song goes " Always be an England " the question is will it be a prosperous and confident outgoing country or an inward looking self regarding country always complaining about it not being heaven on earth?

[NigelFargate]

Let me point out something which you appear to be unaware of, or at least somewhat unconcerned about.

 

I had mixed parentage, English father Irish mother. Having lived in both countries I feel that I have a reasonably informed view of the history linking both countries.

 

The 'connection' has gone on for over 800 years and mainly to the detriment of Ireland.

 

Over those years the English/British have done everything that they could to subjugate the Irish population and turn them into replica Brits.

 

Among other things they banned the language, outlawed the religion, stole the land and gave it to absentee landlords, they drove the native Irish out of North East Ireland and installed 'planters' in their place.

 

When all this failed for seven years from 1845 onward they committed genocide against the population. There was no 'Famine', a famine is a shortage of food, there was more than sufficient food produced in Ireland over that period, it was exported to England under armed military escort and over a million starved to death and another million plus emigrated.

 

Why am I bringing this up?

 

You are apparently terrified of a non aggressive political union which despite many faults is designed to benefit its members.

 

You are that concerned that the British are such a bunch of weaklings that they'll lose their identity and love of country?

 

The Irish identity survived all that and is intact and thriving.

 

What is so fragile about the English/British psyche that it can't be allowed to mix with and befriend foreigners?

 

Who's stopping anyone flying a flag if they want to? Who's stopping anyone celebrating St Georges day?

 

No one is, but apparently people would rather moan about it than actually do something!

 

There will, as the song goes " Always be an England " the question is will it be a prosperous and confident outgoing country or an inward looking self regarding country always complaining about it not being heaven on earth?

 

You are quite right about Britain treating the Irish abominably. However, the ruling classes in Britain were also treating the lower classes in this country abominably too. I don't feel any historical guilt for this. The Normans in particular were enslaving and brutalising the native English and Welsh at more or less the same time as the native irish.

[Carlinate]

You are quite right about Britain treating the Irish abominably. However, the ruling classes in Britain were also treating the lower classes in this country abominably too. I don't feel any historical guilt for this. The Normans in particular were enslaving and brutalising the native English and Welsh at more or less the same time as the native irish.

 

Correct and it's why the majority of the Irish bear no ill will today. I've no doubt that my ancestors on my fathers English side were being treat just as badly in many respects.

 

No need for anyone to feel guilt it was a long time a go and it was a minority of the rulers in all countries that were mainly responsible.

 

My point was that the Irish were subjected to an aggressive attempt to diminish, if not totally remove, their national identity and it failed.

 

The English/Welsh/Scots surely can't have their national character damaged by what is a benign and well intentioned ( if not always successful ) union of friendly nations.

[Cyclone]

Presumably all you europhobes, scared of ever closer union are not in favour of Scotland having another referendum and leaving the UK, or NI leaving the UK and reunification of Ireland... That must hurt your brains right, the self contradiction inherent in the opposing views, how do you reconcile that?

[El Cid]

Sainsbury's full-year profits before tax have fallen to £503m, down 8.2% from £548m, hit by price cuts and tough competition on the High Street.

 

Due to Brexit?

[silentP]

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Still just a gut feel, but no bones about it either way really

 

...I'm intrigued. What is your gut telling you?

[NigelFargate]

Presumably all you europhobes, scared of ever closer union are not in favour of Scotland having another referendum and leaving the UK, or NI leaving the UK and reunification of Ireland... That must hurt your brains right, the self contradiction inherent in the opposing views, how do you reconcile that?

 

I am happy for Scotland and NI to have referenda. I would be sorry if they opted to leave, but I would respect the result and would not seek to punish them.