I1L2T3 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 It's called the path of least resistance. Business is brutal. Utterly so. No quarter given at most companies. It's not some nirvana where Brits all work happily together, sup tea and read the Daily Mail. Work is work. It's hard. It's meant to be hard. British people don't get that any more. They seem to want things to magically get better. Brexit magic no less. ---------- Post added 06-05-2017 at 23:52 ---------- Not my quote nor did I take ownership. I provided a link to the research at the bottom. Serious questions: 1. Have you got a job 2. Do you claim benefits Please be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puggie Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 The example I gave was that UK workers in the factory in question had mostly gone after a short period of time. Why do you think that is? A physically demanding job where you're on your feet all day, expected to work overtime, expected to offer flexibility and get paid a pittance for your efforts. These jobs were designed with EU nationals in mind and its perfectly legal. Many sectors of our economy have done rather well out of this system. The oversupply of cheap labour from the continent has allowed many businesses to lower the bar and suppress wages with temporary work and zero-hour contracts being the latest exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Business is brutal. Utterly so. No quarter given at most companies. It's not some nirvana where Brits all work happily together, sup tea and read the Daily Mail. Work is work. It's hard. It's meant to be hard. British people don't get that any more. They seem to want things to magically get better. Brexit magic no less. __________________________________________________________________ But things have got worse. Not all businesses used to be like that. As well as a decent wage, plus overtime at enhanced rates and job progression, many a factory type job had perks attatched that all made it a worthwhile experience. Most had proper lunch breaks in subsidised /free works canteens serving jolly good snacks and lunches, as well as subsidised social clubs, sports clubs, works outings, and events. And a real family spirit. Marks and Spencers used to have on site hairdressers and chiropodists as well. People felt valued and appreciated and worked all the better because of it. And their jobs were reliable. People could plan a future. Now employees are often treated with contempt. It shouldn't be like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentP Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) Business is brutal. Utterly so. No quarter given at most companies. It's not some nirvana where Brits all work happily together, sup tea and read the Daily Mail. Work is work. It's hard. It's meant to be hard. British people don't get that any more. They seem to want things to magically get better. Brexit magic no less. ---------- Post added 06-05-2017 at 23:52 ---------- This attitude existed long before the advent of leaving Europe. The quick fix society aspire to instant fame and the lottery to make it in life and TV pretty much glorifies bumming around collecting benefit handouts. Yes work is hard but it's supposed to be fair also. AnnaB is right and employers have had it good where staffing is concerned showing little in the way of respect for their workers (some not all) if you don't like it, if you're not happy tough, we'll get someone else. It's hard graft at the bottom and people both British and foreign grab every hour they can to afford the bloody basics and keep a roof over their heads. A high percentage of the population don't give a toss about low paid jobs and some of these have never even thought about Europe as being anything other than a holiday destination. They're all right jack, got money, live well, the country plods on. Well for some it doesn't, it grinds on and wears you down year after year. Perhaps for the first time in their lives they were given an opportunity to instigate change, not only that but this time it would be implemented, no lame promises, a simple one question. They're not thick, they understand what they have to and need to at the level they occupy in society. Edited May 7, 2017 by silentP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Why do you think that is? A physically demanding job where you're on your feet all day, expected to work overtime, expected to offer flexibility and get paid a pittance for your efforts. These jobs were designed with EU nationals in mind and its perfectly legal. Well,when freedom of movement finishes,just pay everybody to stay in bed,it's the British way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Perhaps for the first time in their lives they were given an opportunity to instigate change, not only that but this time it would be implemented, no lame promises, a simple one question... As discussed before: the whole of both sides of the campaign was built on lame promises, and the question was the wrong one... It was however, the only question we (the electorate) were ever likely to be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentP Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 As discussed before: the whole of both sides of the campaign was built on lame promises, and the question was the wrong one... It was however, the only question we (the electorate) were ever likely to be asked. I'm not placing importance so much on the question but on what perhaps led so many to answer it in the way that they did. If there were more parity in this country/kingdom then it's very likely the answer would have been different. You and I are pretty much in agreement that the question was not a sensible one by itself, neither was the resultant (lack of) information that came with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I'm not placing importance so much on the question but on what perhaps led so many to answer it in the way that they did... It seems to me simple: the question was the closest that we will ever be asked to: "Is everything peachy, or do you want to see some changes?" And I think we need to step away from asking why individuals voted whichever way and consider the electorate as a whole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Business is brutal. Utterly so. No quarter given at most companies. It's not some nirvana where Brits all work happily together, sup tea and read the Daily Mail. Work is work. It's hard. It's meant to be hard. British people don't get that any more. They seem to want things to magically get better. Brexit magic no less. ---------- Post added 06-05-2017 at 23:52 ---------- This attitude existed long before the advent of leaving Europe. The quick fix society aspire to instant fame and the lottery to make it in life and TV pretty much glorifies bumming around collecting benefit handouts. Yes work is hard but it's supposed to be fair also. AnnaB is right and employers have had it good where staffing is concerned showing little in the way of respect for their workers (some not all) if you don't like it, if you're not happy tough, we'll get someone else. It's hard graft at the bottom and people both British and foreign grab every hour they can to afford the bloody basics and keep a roof over their heads. A high percentage of the population don't give a toss about low paid jobs and some of these have never even thought about Europe as being anything other than a holiday destination. They're all right jack, got money, live well, the country plods on. Well for some it doesn't, it grinds on and wears you down year after year. Perhaps for the first time in their lives they were given an opportunity to instigate change, not only that but this time it would be implemented, no lame promises, a simple one question. They're not thick, they understand what they have to and need to at the level they occupy in society. Yes we all understand it was a vote for change, as clear as day. problem is that change can be for the worse, it can be destructive. Jobs can be lost, businesses closed, employment protections diminished, waves of immigrants from other locations may arrive willing to work for peanuts, public services can be attacked and destroyed. The middle classes, the ones with the steady comfortable jobs who enjoy holidays abroad, are resourceful. They'll survive and find ways to make the best of this. And will do despite what it seems are attempts to destroy things for them The ones at the bottom.........toast. Wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentP Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Yes we all understand it was a vote for change, as clear as day. problem is that change can be for the worse, it can be destructive. Jobs can be lost, businesses closed, employment protections diminished, waves of immigrants from other locations may arrive willing to work for peanuts, public services can be attacked and destroyed. The middle classes, the ones with the steady comfortable jobs who enjoy holidays abroad, are resourceful. They'll survive and find ways to make the best of this. And will do despite what it seems are attempts to destroy things for them The ones at the bottom.........toast. Wait and see. Your assumption then is that middle class didn't vote leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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