I1L2T3 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 sure the sun sea wind will last forever, but at present and for the foreseeable future it is totally uneconomic, and it is green taxs that allow them to operate. Is it totally uneconomic for Scotland? Any proof of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Is it totally uneconomic for Scotland? Any proof of that? not hard to find http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/10122850/True-cost-of-Britains-wind-farm-industry-revealed.html each housold in the uk pay around £300 in green taxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentP Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Some of the middle class care about more than just their own interests. Because when people vote they do it with others in mind don't they, it's a lovely thought. Is it not conceivable that was the consideration this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 not hard to find http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/10122850/True-cost-of-Britains-wind-farm-industry-revealed.html each housold in the uk pay around £300 in green taxes But for an independent Scotland that could offset cost of renewables against oil revenues? I would be surprised. They already have built the renewables capacity to satisfy most their energy needs. And they are building more. ---------- Post added 07-05-2017 at 14:34 ---------- Because when people vote they do it with others in mind don't they, it's a lovely thought. Is it not conceivable that was the consideration this time? Yes it is conceivable that people expected public services to be priotised for example. Not everybody realised the £350m NHS pledge was a lie. Further blown out the water in today's news. So yeah they could have been voting with others in mind but sadly a lot of those who did so were duped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 But for an independent Scotland that could offset cost of renewables against oil revenues? I would be surprised. They already have built the renewables capacity to satisfy most their energy needs. And they are building more. oil revenues are falling are they not? They may have built them but if all the Green taxes fell on the households of Scotland how viable would they be? Remember most current builds were on the really high grant tariffs, which have now been slashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 oil revenues are falling are they not? They may have built them but if all the Green taxes fell on the households of Scotland how viable would they be? Remember most current builds were on the really high grant tariffs, which have now been slashed You tell me the answer. You seem to have proof that renewable energy is uneconomic for an independent Scotland. Produce your evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 oil revenues are falling are they not? Oil revenues may be falling at present but a lot of that is down to the cost of cheap oil from elsewhere. The North Sea still has plentiful of untapped oil fields to develop and extract. When oil prices rise then production will probably be stepped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelFargate Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Oil revenues may be falling at present but a lot of that is down to the cost of cheap oil from elsewhere. The North Sea still has plentiful of untapped oil fields to develop and extract. When oil prices rise then production will probably be stepped up. But there is also a plentiful supply of untapped oil fields in other parts of the world, meaning that the price of oil is likely to remain low for the foreseeable future. Without substantial oil revenues, economic case for Scottish independence will remain weak. As for renewables, a major problem is in transporting wind and wave energy to the main population centres. Moreover, the problem of how to store this energy remains. If the subsidies for these forms of energy were removed, the case for them becomes even weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Macron nailed it, a consequence of Brexit, it is now safe to say, is that the EU is galvanising under the pressure and will come out stronger from all this. It is the one thing I hoped for and it seems to be occurring. This is also symbolised by pro-EU demonstrations all over the continent in recent months, completely unreported in British press, one wonders why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puggie Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 This is also symbolised by pro-EU demonstrations all over the continent in recent months, completely unreported in British press, one wonders why? Our histories aren't identical. For many on the continent the European Union marked the end of communist rule. Needless to say Britain's relationship with the EU project has been described as dry & institutional in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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