The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[I1L2T3]

We failed to reform the European Union. Successive governments have tried for decades to change the direction of travel and the ideologies. The MoD has for years been warning about the consequences of enlargement and the fault lines that would develop if you allow any one nation within the EU to start throwing its weight around (Germany).

 

The future of the EU very much depends on what role Germany wants to play over the next few years.

 

Not so. The EU never forced us into a situation where the likes of Mike Ashley could exploit vulnerable workers from poor countries. We let that happen. It was avoidable.

[Puggie]

For example, negotiating with the IRA, and our friends in Hamas.

Didn't manage to negotiate a truce in his own party though...

 

Losing the upcoming GE will be a blessing in disguise for the Labour party.

 

The soul-searching exercise cannot begin until they're officially defeated.

 

I just hope Corbyn takes the dignified option of stepping aside once the dust has settled.

[I1L2T3]

Losing the upcoming GE will be a blessing in disguise for the Labour party.

 

The soul-searching exercise cannot begin until they're officially defeated.

 

I just hope Corbyn takes the dignified option of stepping aside once the dust has settled.

 

It's just the start IMO

 

Just as politics can be dragged to the right it can be dragged to the left too

 

Brexit will be a disaster, not the change people are looking for

 

Still, Farage will be happily drawing down his £750k EU pension pot. He'll be fine

[apelike]

I'm glad you've come out of that coma/been unchained from that radiator (delete as appropriate).

 

Deleted both..

 

Just checked. That aparantley was in 2014 and well before the referendum so I didn't take note as I dont care what they said then and don't really care what they said since either. It may surprise you but some people didn't vote leave just because UKIP or others said it was a good idea.

 

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Quote the EU laws that prevent the UK government changing UK laws on pay and conditions at UK companies.

 

Some parts are quoted from the Guardian:

 

"The EU framework directive on discrimination in 2000 significantly changed UK law, introducing new protected categories so employers cannot now discriminate based on age, sexual orientation or religion.

 

And there are other examples: the outlawing of discrimination based on being a part-time, or fixed-term worker, the right to rest breaks, paid holiday, and leave for working parents all derive from EU directives."

 

There is the working time directive.

The TUPE.

Compensation claims.

Rights for agency workers.

The Capital Requirements Directive.

 

Basically, as the above EU laws are now woven into UK laws Brexit is the only way the Government can change them if they wanted, hence the Brexit negotiations.

[tzijlstra]

 

Some parts are quoted from the Guardian:

 

"The EU framework directive on discrimination in 2000 significantly changed UK law, introducing new protected categories so employers cannot now discriminate based on age, sexual orientation or religion.

 

Terrible! We can't discriminate no more!

 

And there are other examples: the outlawing of discrimination based on being a part-time, or fixed-term worker, the right to rest breaks, paid holiday, and leave for working parents all derive from EU directives."

 

Even more terrible! Who wouldn't want to discriminate parents! And the notion of paid holidays... what sicko came up with that!

 

There is the working time directive.

The TUPE.

Compensation claims.

Rights for agency workers.

The Capital Requirements Directive.

 

Basically, as the above EU laws are now woven into UK laws Brexit is the only way the Government can change them if they wanted, hence the Brexit negotiations.

 

Sarcasm aside - many of these directives were implemented under the banner of the EU by the UK government, not because the EU demanded the UK implemented them. This is the key-message that has consistently been failed to deliver. The UK could, and always has had, a free reign in how to implement directives.

 

These directives are not mirrored in other EU countries - because they didn't have to be. Yet here the rules get introduced as ' THE EU TOLD US TO DO IT!!!!11!!!!11!!!'

[apelike]

 

These directives are not mirrored in other EU countries - because they didn't have to be. Yet here the rules get introduced as ' THE EU TOLD US TO DO IT!!!!11!!!!11!!!'

 

That's not the point, the point is are these directives now incorporated into UK law? If they are then we cannot change them as they have already been accepted. What other countries have done is immaterial to the discussion.

 

As chalga asked..

 

"Quote the EU laws that prevent the UK government changing UK laws on pay and conditions at UK companies."

Edited May 20, 2017 by apelike

[Flexo]

The MoD has for years been warning about the consequences of enlargement and the fault lines that would develop if you allow any one nation within the EU to start throwing its weight around (Germany).

 

That sounds interesting (or made up). Please provide a link to these documents by the MoD so we can have a read.

[chalga]

Deleted both..

 

Just checked. That aparantley was in 2014 and well before the referendum so I didn't take note as I dont care what they said then and don't really care what they said since either. It may surprise you but some people didn't vote leave just because UKIP or others said it was a good idea.

 

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Some parts are quoted from the Guardian:

 

"The EU framework directive on discrimination in 2000 significantly changed UK law, introducing new protected categories so employers cannot now discriminate based on age, sexual orientation or religion.

 

And there are other examples: the outlawing of discrimination based on being a part-time, or fixed-term worker, the right to rest breaks, paid holiday, and leave for working parents all derive from EU directives."

 

There is the working time directive.

The TUPE.

Compensation claims.

Rights for agency workers.

The Capital Requirements Directive.

 

Basically, as the above EU laws are now woven into UK laws Brexit is the only way the Government can change them if they wanted, hence the Brexit negotiations.

 

If you're following the thread over the last page or so,you'll see that we are talking about the Sports Direct at Shirebrook,and the claim that UK workers would not be exploited by the pay and conditions imposed on them,unlike EU migrants,so how does any of the EU laws quoted lead to said exploitation,and the resulting loss of UK workers to Sports Direct as a result of that exploitation.?

[I1L2T3]

That's not the point, the point is are these directives now incorporated into UK law? If they are then we cannot change them as they have already been accepted. What other countries have done is immaterial to the discussion.

 

As chalga asked..

 

"Quote the EU laws that prevent the UK government changing UK laws on pay and conditions at UK companies."

 

Of course we can change them. In fact in some cases we go way beyond what EU directives require.

 

Directives, it should be obvious, often cannot include specifics about exactly how directives are brought into law in individual member states. There is not always an element of rigidity

[apelike]

If you're following the thread over the last page or so,you'll see that we are talking about the Sports Direct at Shirebrook,and the claim that UK workers would not be exploited by the pay and conditions imposed on them,unlike EU migrants,so how does any of the EU laws quoted lead to said exploitation,and the resulting loss of UK workers to Sports Direct as a result of that exploitation.?

 

See post #2982 where you asked: "Quote the EU laws that prevent the UK government changing UK laws on pay and conditions at UK companies."

 

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Of course we can change them.

 

So how do we change them after they have been introduced?

Edited May 20, 2017 by apelike