The Consequences of Brexit (part 3)

[silentP]

It is so sad that so many do not understand the basic principles of representative democracy.

 

What would be your interpretation of it then?

[Carlinate]

That may be so but they carried out the Democratic wish of the majority of the people they represent, as they also did in 1975 when the vote was to stay.

 

From the Parliament UK website:

 

"The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons."

 

Whether the MP's own interests were for Remain does not matter in the overall scheme of things.

 

Would you care to explain exactly how an MP is supposed to represent the interests of everyone who voted for him/her?

 

In the Heeley constituency at the last election 26,500 people voted Labour. Are you trying to say that every single one of them wanted exactly the same outcome with regard to Brexit?

 

If you vote for a particular party are you supposed to mindmeld with every other voter and all resort to group think?

 

The whole point of appointing a political representative is so that they can apprise themselves of the intricacies of a particular subject and arrive at a decision based upon their acquired knowledge and then vote in the best interest of the country and their constituents as they see it.

 

As a voter you hope and trust that your representative has sufficient intelligence and knowledge to make the decision on your behalf.

 

You may not necessarily agree with every decision but you need to accept that your MP is payed to know more about the subject than you.

 

If you don't like it then you are free to vote for someone else at the next opportunity.

 

What parliament has done in the Brexit debate is abrogate its responsibility to the generally uninformed.

[retep]

Would you care to explain exactly how an MP is supposed to represent the interests of everyone who voted for him/her?

 

In the Heeley constituency at the last election 26,500 people voted Labour. Are you trying to say that every single one of them wanted exactly the same outcome with regard to Brexit?

 

If you vote for a particular party are you supposed to mindmeld with every other voter and all resort to group think?

 

The whole point of appointing a political representative is so that they can apprise themselves of the intricacies of a particular subject and arrive at a decision based upon their acquired knowledge and then vote in the best interest of the country and their constituents as they see it.

 

As a voter you hope and trust that your representative has sufficient intelligence and knowledge to make the decision on your behalf.

 

You may not necessarily agree with every decision but you need to accept that your MP is payed to know more about the subject than you.

 

If you don't like it then you are free to vote for someone else at the next opportunity.

 

What parliament has done in the Brexit debate is abrogate its responsibility to the generally uninformed.

 

Looks like most did and the conservatives are back in.

[Hairyloon]

Would you care to explain exactly how an MP is supposed to represent the interests of everyone who voted for him/her?

 

They are supposed to use their best judgement to decide what is best for the country.

 

The famous speech by Edmund Burke on the subject is hard to fault.

 

What parliament has done in the Brexit debate is abrogate its responsibility to the generally uninformed.

 

Cameron should have that put on his gravestone, but how many times now have we done the "knew what they were voting for" debate?

If we must do it again, can we perhaps start a new thread and nail down the salient points?

[Carlinate]

Looks like most did and the conservatives are back in.

 

With a reduced majority, a hung parliament, and being forced into a pact with a bigoted sectarian party in contravention of an international treaty lodged with the UN by both the British and Irish governments.

 

So it would appear that maybe the electorate aren't entirely convinced by May's meaningless platitudes " Brexit means Brexit " and " No deal is better than a bad deal " .

 

If you missed this when I posted it earlier it's an interesting viewpoint with some truth whether we like it or not.

 

http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nybooks.com%2Fdaily%2F2017%2F06%2F10%2Fbritain-the-end-of-a-fantasy%2F%3ADvu6idk4Mt2zQqoIY2oyUbMFiBI&cuid=3093723

 

---------- Post added 17-06-2017 at 09:37 ----------

 

They are supposed to use their best judgement to decide what is best for the country.

 

The famous speech by Edmund Burke on the subject is hard to fault.

 

 

 

Cameron should have that put on his gravestone, but how many times now have we done the "knew what they were voting for" debate?

If we must do it again, can we perhaps start a new thread and nail down the salient points?

 

I posted Burkes quote yesterday in post number 3217 in a reply to you, did you miss it?

 

No point in a new thread, Brexiteers won't admit that they hadn't a clue what they were voting for especially now its looking dire.

 

I've posted the facts that I used to reach my decision to vote remain on at least two occasions and requested that Brexiteers provide me with the facts they used that persuaded them to vote leave.

 

Answer came there none, because they have no facts, only uninformed opinion.

 

Let me predict what's going to happen next, probably starting Monday and proceeding for the next number of years.

 

Brexiteers are going to start whining that we are being 'punished' by the EU.

 

What is actually going to happen is in fact standard negotiation tactics as practiced every day in the business world.

 

Both sides looking for advantage for themselves and the weaker hand gaining less than the stronger.

 

We have the weaker hand, we export more to the EU than they do to us and we import 40% of our food and 40% of our fuel which we are currently purchasing with a devalued pound.

 

It was our decision to place ourselves in this position but it's all going to be the EU's fault.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Carlinate

[Hairyloon]

If you missed this when I posted it earlier it's an interesting viewpoint with some truth whether we like it or not.

 

http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nybooks.com%2Fdaily%2F2017%2F06%2F10%2Fbritain-the-end-of-a-fantasy%2F%3ADvu6idk4Mt2zQqoIY2oyUbMFiBI&cuid=3093723

 

Good article, thank you.

 

I posted Burkes quote yesterday in post number 3217 in a reply to you, did you miss it?

 

You don't think the speech good enough to warrant posting twice?

[Carlinate]

Good article, thank you.

 

 

 

You don't think the speech good enough to warrant posting twice?

 

No problem, makes interesting reading.

 

The speech is indeed worth posting in its entirety, I only posted the salient point he made about how a representative had to use his/her own judgement or be remiss in their duty to the electorate.

 

Which is what our lot have just done.

[retep]

With a reduced majority, a hung parliament, and being forced into a pact with a bigoted sectarian party in contravention of an international treaty lodged with the UN by both the British and Irish governments.

 

So it would appear that maybe the electorate aren't entirely convinced by May's meaningless platitudes " Brexit means Brexit " and " No deal is better than a bad deal " .

 

If you missed this when I posted it earlier it's an interesting viewpoint with some truth whether we like it or not.

 

http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nybooks.com%2Fdaily%2F2017%2F06%2F10%2Fbritain-the-end-of-a-fantasy%2F%3ADvu6idk4Mt2zQqoIY2oyUbMFiBI&cuid=3093723

 

---------- Post added 17-06-2017 at 09:37 ----------

 

 

I posted Burkes quote yesterday in post number 3217 in a reply to you, did you miss it?

 

No point in a new thread, Brexiteers won't admit that they hadn't a clue what they were voting for especially now its looking dire.

 

I've posted the facts that I used to reach my decision to vote remain on at least two occasions and requested that Brexiteers provide me with the facts they used that persuaded them to vote leave.

 

Answer came there none, because they have no facts, only uninformed opinion.

 

Let me predict what's going to happen next, probably starting Monday and proceeding for the next number of years.

 

Brexiteers are going to start whining that we are being 'punished' by the EU.

 

What is actually going to happen is in fact standard negotiation tactics as practiced every day in the business world.

 

Both sides looking for advantage for themselves and the weaker hand gaining less than the stronger.

 

We have the weaker hand, we export more to the EU than they do to us and we import 40% of our food and 40% of our fuel which we are currently purchasing with a devalued pound.

 

It was our decision to place ourselves in this position but it's all going to be the EU's fault.

 

makes you wonder why we have a trade deficit with the EU:rolleyes:

 

Remainers lost in the referendum and lost in the election get over it.

[Carlinate]

makes you wonder why we have a trade deficit with the EU:rolleyes:

 

Remainers lost in the referendum and lost in the election get over it.

 

Not one single EU member has the UK as its main trading partner. Only three, Ireland, Poland and Cyprus have the UK as a second trading partner.

 

In other words the EU is our main trading partner, but we are not its main trading partner, and we are not in that position with any other of the 27 EU countries, that's the problem with dealing as a single entity in opposition to a group.

 

We import £18 Billion from other EU countries,unless we are able to carry on regardless without that material then we are going to continue to require it.

 

We are also having to buy it with a devalued pound, how does that place us in a strong position?

 

Brexiteers with their ill-informed grasp on the real world have damaged this country and we are all going to be worse off as a result.

 

And you won't be able to get over it.

[retep]

Not one single EU member has the UK as its main trading partner. Only three, Ireland, Poland and Cyprus have the UK as a second trading partner.

 

In other words the EU is our main trading partner, but we are not its main trading partner, and we are not in that position with any other of the 27 EU countries, that's the problem with dealing as a single entity in opposition to a group.

 

We import £18 Billion from other EU countries,unless we are able to carry on regardless without that material then we are going to continue to require it.

We are also having to buy it with a devalued pound, how does that place us in a strong position?

 

Brexiteers with their ill-informed grasp on the real world have damaged this country and we are all going to be worse off as a result.

 

And you won't be able to get over it.

 

The EU is not the only shopping centre:rolleyes: