Buchanan drive voted most anti social in country

[truman]

Actually I'm old enough to remember the 70s and 80s when every year the local working men's clubs would fund a free day out at the seaside for the local kids.

 

They'd also get crisps, a bag of sweets, an apple and a drink, plus £1 spending money each.

 

They loved it. Happy days.

 

Me too but it wasn't free unless the bus companies did it all for nothing...

[Guest makapaka]

Me too but it wasn't free unless the bus companies did it all for nothing...

 

It was free for the kids though which is what I believe the poster meant.

 

I also remember the club trips - unfortunately that sense of community is dwindling now. The clubs themselves are dying out.

[Andy1976]

It was free for the kids though which is what I believe the poster meant.

 

I also remember the club trips - unfortunately that sense of community is dwindling now. The clubs themselves are dying out.

 

Different topic, but they die out because they refuse to change. Any entity that refuses to move with the times faces difficulties generally, with a few exceptions. Cheap beer is great, but people want to have fun, and being threatened for daring to breathe during bingo isn't most people's idea of fun, particularly those under 50.

 

But anyway, that's off topic

[Halibut]

No, but the good work happens before then. As this is a bit of a hobby horse of mine, I'll go into a bit of detail (hope I don't bore you ).

 

Burngreave, as I'm sure you know, is a classic step-migration inner city borough, i.e. lots of new arrivals to Sheffield / the UK start here and move out as they get more settled and affluent. The Irish did it, then African-Caribbean people did it, then the Somalis were the new arrivals, then Poles for a bit, now the Roma are the new people. What's the first thing kids look for when they move somewhere new? Other kids to play with. Pitsmoor Adventure Playground is brilliant because it's staffed and they help all the kids to get along, which they really do (it's not some kind of liberal, multicultural fantasy).

 

Take the Roma kids for example. When they first arrived in Burngreave and started coming to the playground, they had little or no English, didn't know how to share or take turns, were sometimes really pushy with the other kids and were generally non-rule bound. The staff worked really hard to help them understand how it goes: share, take turns, no swearing, no fighting, kids under 6 not allowed on their own, kids over 14 not allowed, etc. etc. They now get all that, their behaviour has radically changed, they help look after the place and to tidy up before and after opening time and so on.

 

Because the staff are brilliant and engage kids from very young to 14 and build a relationship with them along the way and provide good role models, those kids grow up much better behaved than they likely otherwise would. They play a big role in diverting kids away from more undesirable ways of life, including gangs which have become much less of a problem in the area.

 

It is a hugely important asset for the area and why people were so up in arms when the council wanted to close it. We are lucky in that Burngreave is actually a very mixed area and we have enough people with the professional skills to run it, employ the staff, do the accounts and write successful funding bids, including some people with a background in play work. Does Parson Cross have enough people who are able to take on something of that sort in their spare time? I don't know - maybe not. But every deprived area should have something as great as Pitsmoor Adventure Playground.

 

Great post Bob; many of the hard of thinking posting on this thread - and the racist posters who always turn up to slag off the Roma in Page Hall - fail to realise that what our poorest communities need, regardless of their ethnicity, is investment. In people, in services, in education, in infrastructure.

It's easier to be thick and ignorant and blame it all on the working/underclass whites on the Cross, or Somalis in Burngreave or the Roma in Page Hall than it is to see it for what it is and actually fight to do something about it.

[carosio]

Great post Bob; many of the hard of thinking posting on this thread - and the racist posters who always turn up to slag off the Roma in Page Hall - fail to realise that what our poorest communities need, regardless of their ethnicity, is investment. In people, in services, in education, in infrastructure.

It's easier to be thick and ignorant and blame it all on the working/underclass whites on the Cross, or Somalis in Burngreave or the Roma in Page Hall than it is to see it for what it is and actually fight to do something about it.

 

The reason (amongst others) that people "slag off" the Roma community in Page Hall is that it's rightly considered disrespectful to the host country (and their neighbours) to blight the area with litter and dumped furniture. It's not the most endearing way to achieve successful integration and harmony with the established residents (if there are any left), assuming that that's what they want.

 

If I, as an emigrant (poor or otherwise) exhibited the same attitude in some other countries there's a probability I would quickly end up back with my luggage on the tarmac at Heathrow with little hope of sympathy from anyone.

[Moonbird]

No, but the good work happens before then. As this is a bit of a hobby horse of mine, I'll go into a bit of detail (hope I don't bore you ).

 

Burngreave, as I'm sure you know, is a classic step-migration inner city borough, i.e. lots of new arrivals to Sheffield / the UK start here and move out as they get more settled and affluent. The Irish did it, then African-Caribbean people did it, then the Somalis were the new arrivals, then Poles for a bit, now the Roma are the new people. What's the first thing kids look for when they move somewhere new? Other kids to play with. Pitsmoor Adventure Playground is brilliant because it's staffed and they help all the kids to get along, which they really do (it's not some kind of liberal, multicultural fantasy).

 

Take the Roma kids for example. When they first arrived in Burngreave and started coming to the playground, they had little or no English, didn't know how to share or take turns, were sometimes really pushy with the other kids and were generally non-rule bound. The staff worked really hard to help them understand how it goes: share, take turns, no swearing, no fighting, kids under 6 not allowed on their own, kids over 14 not allowed, etc. etc. They now get all that, their behaviour has radically changed, they help look after the place and to tidy up before and after opening time and so on.

 

Because the staff are brilliant and engage kids from very young to 14 and build a relationship with them along the way and provide good role models, those kids grow up much better behaved than they likely otherwise would. They play a big role in diverting kids away from more undesirable ways of life, including gangs which have become much less of a problem in the area.

 

It is a hugely important asset for the area and why people were so up in arms when the council wanted to close it. We are lucky in that Burngreave is actually a very mixed area and we have enough people with the professional skills to run it, employ the staff, do the accounts and write successful funding bids, including some people with a background in play work. Does Parson Cross have enough people who are able to take on something of that sort in their spare time? I don't know - maybe not. But every deprived area should have something as great as Pitsmoor Adventure Playground.

My bold.

 

This is the problem everyone wants the result but no one wants to put in the work to get it, its so much easier to sit back and judge others than to get involved and make some effort to change things, if we dont start with Children and give up on them right at the start while they can still be influenced then God help society in the future.

 

If only the Government could see that saving money on people while young will cost them a whole lot more when those Children as adults need a prison place!

[sgtkate]

The reason (amongst others) that people "slag off" the Roma community in Page Hall is that it's rightly considered disrespectful to the host country (and their neighbours) to blight the area with litter and dumped furniture. It's not the most endearing way to achieve successful integration and harmony with the established residents (if there are any left), assuming that that's what they want.

 

If I, as an emigrant (poor or otherwise) exhibited the same attitude in some other countries there's a probability I would quickly end up back with my luggage on the tarmac at Heathrow with little hope of sympathy from anyone.

 

Why does everything turn into a 'well they do it so we can too' childish school ground argument? Who gives a stuff what they do abroad? We are talking about Sheffield and how we can make where we all live a better place. If other countries want to do things differently to us because that's what they think is better then good for them. If it's successful for them perhaps we can take it on board?

[Anna B]

No, but the good work happens before then. As this is a bit of a hobby horse of mine, I'll go into a bit of detail (hope I don't bore you ).

 

Burngreave, as I'm sure you know, is a classic step-migration inner city borough, i.e. lots of new arrivals to Sheffield / the UK start here and move out as they get more settled and affluent. The Irish did it, then African-Caribbean people did it, then the Somalis were the new arrivals, then Poles for a bit, now the Roma are the new people. What's the first thing kids look for when they move somewhere new? Other kids to play with. Pitsmoor Adventure Playground is brilliant because it's staffed and they help all the kids to get along, which they really do (it's not some kind of liberal, multicultural fantasy).

 

Take the Roma kids for example. When they first arrived in Burngreave and started coming to the playground, they had little or no English, didn't know how to share or take turns, were sometimes really pushy with the other kids and were generally non-rule bound. The staff worked really hard to help them understand how it goes: share, take turns, no swearing, no fighting, kids under 6 not allowed on their own, kids over 14 not allowed, etc. etc. They now get all that, their behaviour has radically changed, they help look after the place and to tidy up before and after opening time and so on.

 

Because the staff are brilliant and engage kids from very young to 14 and build a relationship with them along the way and provide good role models, those kids grow up much better behaved than they likely otherwise would. They play a big role in diverting kids away from more undesirable ways of life, including gangs which have become much less of a problem in the area.

 

It is a hugely important asset for the area and why people were so up in arms when the council wanted to close it. We are lucky in that Burngreave is actually a very mixed area and we have enough people with the professional skills to run it, employ the staff, do the accounts and write successful funding bids, including some people with a background in play work. Does Parson Cross have enough people who are able to take on something of that sort in their spare time? I don't know - maybe not. But every deprived area should have something as great as Pitsmoor Adventure Playground.

 

What a lovely, uplifting post Bob. Well done to all those who give their time and energy to projects like these.

 

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My bold.

 

This is the problem everyone wants the result but no one wants to put in the work to get it, its so much easier to sit back and judge others than to get involved and make some effort to change things, if we dont start with Children and give up on them right at the start while they can still be influenced then God help society in the future.

 

If only the Government could see that saving money on people while young will cost them a whole lot more when those Children as adults need a prison place!

Very true. Youth workers used to be drafted into areas like Parson Cross to set things up and get them started, but many of them have been made redundant along with schemes like Surestart.

[Love2print]

Received a reply from the council about Colley Park. They are going to start landscaping works to remove the play equipment at some point. They were non-committing on putting new play equipment in.

 

I also took a wander through Wolfe Road park. The play area has been blocked off and some of the equipment removed. Looks like its been like that for sometime.

[sheff66]

Parson Cross is one of the poorest areas in Europe.)

That doesn't make the majority of people living there 'pond-life.' It means they need more help and investment than most.

 

Poverty is not pretty, and comes with costs for the rest of society, another reason why real help is a necessity. What they get is the occasional sticking plaster.

 

 

The above is a classic example of why the problems are on the increase , ahhhh poor little dears lets throw some more money at them that will do the trick .. what a load of old tosh , more policing harden the attitude clamp down on them