El Cid Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Young, vulnerable people are being targeted with online classified adverts offering accommodation in exchange for sex, a BBC investigation has found. A vague advert by the BBC - 25% of young homeless people said they had stayed with a stranger. One advert posted by a London landlord asked for a "naughty girl" to move in. An MP has said they may bring in laws to make theses deals illegal, but taking money for sex is legal, right. Just a sign of changing times? Its just sex, and welfare no longer helps them? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39568458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 If 'it's just sex' then isn't rape covered in the same phrase? Would you find it acceptable for a young woman to feel that she had no option but to have sex with a stranger because it was the only way that she was going to have somewhere to live? How about if the person making the offer expects sex every night? Or has 'unusual' tastes? Or poor hygiene? Or refuses to practise safe sex? It sounds awfully coercive to me. I'm sure that there are people around who would see this as a great deal and who would have no problems walking into this sort of deal with their eyes open. I'm also sure that there are people who are sufficiently scared of ending up on the streets that they feel they have no choice but to trade their bodies for somewhere to live, and the arrangement could be very detrimental to their mental health and self worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 If 'it's just sex' then isn't rape covered in the same phrase? Would you find it acceptable for a young woman to feel that she had no option but to have sex with a stranger because it was the only way that she was going to have somewhere to live? How about if the person making the offer expects sex every night? Or has 'unusual' tastes? Or poor hygiene? Or refuses to practise safe sex? It sounds awfully coercive to me. I'm sure that there are people around who would see this as a great deal and who would have no problems walking into this sort of deal with their eyes open. I'm also sure that there are people who are sufficiently scared of ending up on the streets that they feel they have no choice but to trade their bodies for somewhere to live, and the arrangement could be very detrimental to their mental health and self worth. It does seem a very strange way to do things. If you want/need/choose (whichever phrase you feel is appropriate) to offer sex for money which as El Cid points out is perfectly legal, then why would you effectively sign a contract to sleep with your landlord only? Why not simply setup as an escort and earn money which you can then use to cover rent in the normal way but also giving you far more control over your life and situation? Equally, how would the landlord proceed if you refused sex? If it wasn't consensual then that's rape and no 'contract' will over override that, and evicting someone for breach of contract for not sleeping with you would be an interesting one in court... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Young, vulnerable people are being targeted with online classified adverts offering accommodation in exchange for sex, a BBC investigation has found. A vague advert by the BBC - 25% of young homeless people said they had stayed with a stranger. One advert posted by a London landlord asked for a "naughty girl" to move in. An MP has said they may bring in laws to make theses deals illegal, but taking money for sex is legal, right. Just a sign of changing times? Its just sex, and welfare no longer helps them? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39568458 Some people might argue that a longer term similar arrangement is called marriage. There is no space here for legislation, the very idea is ludicrous. If people want free room and board in exchange for sexual services then to try to make it illegal is both pointless and immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 If 'it's just sex' then isn't rape covered in the same phrase? Would you find it acceptable for a young woman to feel that she had no option but to have sex with a stranger because it was the only way that she was going to have somewhere to live? Any form of buying sex is immoral, even though it can be of benefit to both parties, so its not an easy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 If 'it's just sex' then isn't rape covered in the same phrase? Would you find it acceptable for a young woman to feel that she had no option but to have sex with a stranger because it was the only way that she was going to have somewhere to live? How about if the person making the offer expects sex every night? Or has 'unusual' tastes? Or poor hygiene? Or refuses to practise safe sex? It sounds awfully coercive to me. I'm sure that there are people around who would see this as a great deal and who would have no problems walking into this sort of deal with their eyes open. I'm also sure that there are people who are sufficiently scared of ending up on the streets that they feel they have no choice but to trade their bodies for somewhere to live, and the arrangement could be very detrimental to their mental health and self worth. So the government should ensure that people always have somewhere to live. ---------- Post added 13-04-2017 at 13:11 ---------- Any form of buying sex is immoral, even though it can be of benefit to both parties, so its not an easy one. Why is it? ---------- Post added 13-04-2017 at 13:12 ---------- It does seem a very strange way to do things. If you want/need/choose (whichever phrase you feel is appropriate) to offer sex for money which as El Cid points out is perfectly legal, then why would you effectively sign a contract to sleep with your landlord only? Why not simply setup as an escort and earn money which you can then use to cover rent in the normal way but also giving you far more control over your life and situation? Equally, how would the landlord proceed if you refused sex? If it wasn't consensual then that's rape and no 'contract' will over override that, and evicting someone for breach of contract for not sleeping with you would be an interesting one in court... The examples I've seen in the news are lodgers rather than tenants and so can be evicted with very little recourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Why is it? It is immoral to buy a liver(or any body part), do you agree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 It is immoral to buy a liver(or any body part), do you agree with that? Is it immoral to sell a body part (of your own) eg a kidney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) It is immoral to buy a liver(or any body part), do you agree with that? No, I don't. It would be immoral to deprive someone of their entire liver, thus killing them. But since a liver transplant can be done with <1 liver, I'd say not inherently immoral. It's not immoral to pay someone for labour. That can be intellectual or physical. It can include touching you in a variety of ways, massage, chiropractic, chiropodists. I'm not sure why sex should have some special distinction made as if that's a form of labour that is wrong to sell... All that does is lead to the criminalisation of both prostitutes and the people who pay them, which (the criminalisation) ultimately harms society. Edited April 13, 2017 by Cyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Is it immoral to sell a body part (of your own) eg a kidney? Just like prostitution, a person must have sunk very low to do it, the main immoral act is buying it. I give blood, or at least I used to; for the good of other people, how how is saving another persons life worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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