UKIP should have more MPs

[alchemist]

Lib dems should have 52 seats also.

 

That better?

 

No matter which party gets more seats is academic, TRUE democracy can only be served by PR

 

And BTW the country voted on PR in 2011, although they deliberately chose a crap version to ensure the vote failed

[Eater Sundae]

No matter which party gets more seats is academic, TRUE democracy can only be served by PR

 

And BTW the country voted on PR in 2011, although they deliberately chose a crap version to ensure the vote failed

 

I agree that PR would be better. I don't like UKIP, but some people do, and they should be represented accordingly. The current system favours the big parties, and niche ones such as the SNP

[bs4124]

Why is this forum debating Proportional Representation when Mrs May’s speech in Downing Street yesterday was profoundly anti-democratic. What the Prime Minster seemed to be saying was that she can brook no opposition. Brexit, her kind of Brexit, is such an overriding priority that the normal conditions of democracy are somehow suspended. Politicians who represent the views of almost half those who voted in the referendum are, by representing those views in Parliament, being in some way traitorous. Whilst Mrs May was claiming she wanted to bring people together, what she appeared to be actually trying to do was to eliminate dissent.

[alchemist]

Why is this forum debating Proportional Representation when Mrs May’s speech in Downing Street yesterday was profoundly anti-democratic. What the Prime Minster seemed to be saying was that she can brook no opposition. Brexit, her kind of Brexit, is such an overriding priority that the normal conditions of democracy are somehow suspended. Politicians who represent the views of almost half those who voted in the referendum are, by representing those views in Parliament, being in some way traitorous. Whilst Mrs May was claiming she wanted to bring people together, what she appeared to be actually trying to do was to eliminate dissent.

 

Because if we have to have an election it should at least be a FAIR one, something it has never been once there were more than 2 parties standing

[Litotes]

UKIP have done their job - they should be disbanded.

At least that would mean no more Mr Garage, sorry, Farage.

 

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No matter which party gets more seats is academic, TRUE democracy can only be served by PR

 

And BTW the country voted on PR in 2011, although they deliberately chose a crap version to ensure the vote failed

 

How...

 

If I stand as the Sheffield Monster RL Party and get one vote - do I get representation?

 

Of course not, that would be absurd.

 

So who sets the threshold?

[alchemist]

UKIP have done their job - they should be disbanded.

At least that would mean no more Mr Garage, sorry, Farage.

 

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How...

 

If I stand as the Sheffield Monster RL Party and get one vote - do I get representation?

 

Of course not, that would be absurd.

 

So who sets the threshold?

 

At its simplest

 

number of available seats = x,

total number of votes cast divided by x = n,

votes cast = y,

if y >= n = seat

[Carlinate]

 

---------- Post added 20-04-2017 at 19:55 ----------

 

 

How...

 

If I stand as the Sheffield Monster RL Party and get one vote - do I get representation?

 

Of course not, that would be absurd.

 

So who sets the threshold?

 

Simple explanation.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjny7zO5LPTAhVrCMAKHfXPB8wQFggrMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairvote.org%2Fhow_proportional_representation_elections_work&usg=AFQjCNEK2BxAg5VV89DhLDjwTcqldg2Dwg

 

Were this system to be introduced instead of there being five constituencies representing Sheffield there would be five MPs representing the whole of the City.

 

The advantage would be that each of the three main parties would have at least one MP and also probably one of the smaller parties would get in as well.

 

This would mean that whichever of the main parties you support you would have a representative in Westminster.

 

Currently only two of the three main parties are represented.

 

Once people were aware that their vote actually counted the percentage of voters would increase.

 

But hey, the politicians like it as it is so why bother?

[apelike]

 

Austria and the Republic of Ireland use PR and judged by GNP per capita are both wealthier than the UK.

 

Austria may have PR but Ireland only have a version backed up by an STV system which is not direct PR.

 

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No matter which party gets more seats is academic, TRUE democracy can only be served by PR

 

And BTW the country voted on PR in 2011, although they deliberately chose a crap version to ensure the vote failed

 

That crap version was not PR though.

[alchemist]

 

That crap version was not PR though.

 

Cant argue with that

[Carlinate]

Austria may have PR but Ireland only have a version backed up by an STV system which is not direct PR.

 

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You've got that completely the wrong way around.

 

PR+STV is an addition to standard Proportional Representation, it makes it even more democratic.

 

The drawback is that it prolongs the vote counting process as it's a little more complex but arrives at a superior result in terms of illustrating peoples preferences.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjjhdqJ8LPTAhVJFMAKHfhvA3wQFghwMA0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electoral-reform.org.uk%2Fsingle-transferable-vote&usg=AFQjCNHsNKzOmsCCgQp9bK9QR1Uszc3tPg