Be prepared for a shock - No triple lock = No vote.

[Jacktari]

As outlined on Newsnight yesterday, the average 70 year old has a higher income than the average 35 year old. Fewer pensioners are in relative poverty than children. To increase pensions by 2.5% whether or not wages or inflation are going up is totally indefensible. Pension credit is the thing that will really target pensioner poverty.

 

The only thing continuing the triple lock will achieve is to necessitate further increases in the pension age. Yet again making the young pay for the excesses of the older generation who failed to pay in enough to the pot to secure the luxuries they now demand.

 

You are falling into the trap of dividing to conquer.

We ourselves (existing retired people), as well as generations before us, fought to ensure pensioners did not live in poverty.

This, at present, is slowly coming to be so.

Most existing pensioners have worked for up to 50 years for the capitalists, and they now begrudge us a decent retirement after all those years, and are trying to find ways to reduce our conditions.

 

In order facilitate this happening, the tories are now trying to drive a wedge between the working classes, by pointing out how little their cronies are paying younger people.

By doing this, they hope to divide the people against themselves, as they are doing by their every policy and action, (brexit being a glaring example of this).

 

It is not retirees getting too much, it is working people accepting too little.

It is time the working people became organised once more, as we were, and put the employers in their place.

[sgtkate]

For me it's another blatant vote grabbing and poor policy from Labour. I'm very disappointed by them at the moment. When Labour guarantee that workers wages also have a guaranteed minimum annual rise 2.5% then I'll support this. The other 2 conditions are just fine aren't they? That in real terms your pension you receive will not deteriorate from the day you retire. That's fair and justified to me, the random 2.5% increase if inflation and wage growth is lower is not.

[Itrytoplease]

As outlined on Newsnight yesterday, the average 70 year old has a higher income than the average 35 year old. Fewer pensioners are in relative poverty than children. To increase pensions by 2.5% whether or not wages or inflation are going up is totally indefensible. Pension credit is the thing that will really target pensioner poverty.

 

The only thing continuing the triple lock will achieve is to necessitate further increases in the pension age. Yet again making the young pay for the excesses of the older generation who failed to pay in enough to the pot to secure the luxuries they now demand.

 

Pensions are not a "Means" tested benefit, rich and poor can claim it.

[Jacktari]

Pensions are not a "Means" tested benefit, rich and poor can claim it.

 

The State Pension is not a 'benefit' at all.

It is a right, bought and paid for.

[Itrytoplease]

If the state pension is the single most important issue for you then wait for the manifestos and then select the party that is pledging the best deal.

 

Keep in mind though that pledges in manifestos don't count for much these days, and Brexit makes that even more of an issue as it will present fiscal challenges that will lead to a lot of manifesto pledges being impossible.

 

I believe the tories are the only party that can deal with brexit and would have had my vote, except for this "hit the pensioners policy" by getting rid of the triple lock.

[biotechpete]

Pensions are not a "Means" tested benefit, rich and poor can claim it.

 

I'm not really sure what that has to do with my point. If the aim was to tackle pensioner poverty, the better thing would be to improve pension credit, which is means tested.

 

I have outlined in relative detail on the forum before, how all of the older generation promised themselves long retirements and world class healthcare but totally failed to budget for it. They are now expecting the young to pay for it for them, while driving the retirement age ever upwards.

 

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The State Pension is not a 'benefit' at all.

It is a right, bought and paid for.

 

No, it's not, it's a privilege promised but not accounted for.

 

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I believe the tories are the only party that can deal with brexit and would have had my vote, except for this "hit the pensioners policy" by getting rid of the triple lock.

 

Just vote Labour then, Brexit will be a total crapstorm either way. May won't get any better a deal than anyone else. The deal will be decided by the parter holding the cards.

[geared]

It is time the working people became organised once more, as we were, and put the employers in their place.

 

I'm pretty sure last time that was tried it ended up destroying a good portion of the manufacturing sector.

 

It's not 1970 anymore :roll:

[Jacktari]

No, it's not, it's a privilege promised but not accounted for.

 

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That is subversive nonsense.

[El Cid]

I've never tried to tell people how to vote before, but if your a pensioner be prepared to have your pension cut for the next 5 years. Once again MAY has refused to guarantee the "Triple Lock" which can only mean one thing - pensions going DOWN.

 

They should dump the triple lock on pensions, and have a triple lock on tax credits for ordinary working people.

Disabled people are having their benefits cut, why should one section of society get rising incomes, whilst others fall?

[Jacktari]

They should dump the triple lock on pensions, and have a triple lock on tax credits for ordinary working people.

Disabled people are having their benefits cut, why should one section of society get rising incomes, whilst others fall?

 

Why not just have a decent government that cared for the health and well being of ALL its people, instead of creating unrest and division?

It is not much to ask is it?