tinfoilhat Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 OK, I agree with that, but at least two of the elderly people I mentioned had no sign of dementia, and ironicly the third who spent most of her life sitting in a chair was said to be in danger of 'tripping over the rug' in her home. She fell within 2 weeks of being in the home. But if they decided to get up and walk about and they weren't really able to, they were likely going to fall over. Unless they were literally being helped by staff I don't know how to stop it. And old people are heavy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Because there is a lot of competition in this sector. If that were true then it would have driven prices down and no one would be getting ripped off. ---------- Post added 14-05-2017 at 10:37 ---------- I said its 'like' PFI. You can bet somebody was or is getting rich out of it. The government used to provide this care for free. And even if they charged half what people are having to pay now it would be self financing. The charges now are simply not justified. It stinks. Sorry, but you're talking complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelFargate Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 If that were true then it would have driven prices down and no one would be getting ripped off. ---------- Post added 14-05-2017 at 10:37 ---------- [/color. Good quality care homes cost a lot to run. How do you know that such homes are a rip off? The high cost may represent market value when all costs are factored in. If you have an identical product, then price becomes the determining factor. However, in the case of care homes, quality and value for money take precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHRemovals Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Scottish people don't have to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cressida Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Scottish people don't have to pay. Coupled with your avatar I had to laugh. Anna - when a pensioner in their eighties is looked after by another pensioner, say in their sixties, then the latter doesn't get the full £60 per week, their carer allowance is cut when they become a pensioner. It would be harder being a carer as one gets older also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 Coupled with your avatar I had to laugh. Anna - when a pensioner in their eighties is looked after by another pensioner, say in their sixties, then the latter doesn't get the full £60 per week, their carer allowance is cut when they become a pensioner. It would be harder being a carer as one gets older also. This is true. I really don't know what the answer is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Good quality care homes cost a lot to run. How do you know that such homes are a rip off? The high cost may represent market value when all costs are factored in. If you have an identical product, then price becomes the determining factor. However, in the case of care homes, quality and value for money take precedent. I think you might be missing my point, I haven't said that care homes are a rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrejuan Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Families could do much more of the caring in many cases. Some cultures (even in this country) willingly look after their elderly or infirm without question. Some homes have three generations under the same roof and all contribute something. Looking back, it was quite common years ago for Brits. to look after older family members by having them move in. That would be a solution for some nowadays instead of automatically palming them off on strangers. OK, I can almost hear some people screaming already about not having room, having to work, kids are too young, bla bla bla, but it is possible for some people some of the time to care for parents/relatives. Thank God it still happens for some lucky owd uns, even if it is just cooking and caring for them in their own home. Regarding paying for the residential home, I think it is unfair that some people lose their pension and any benefits, but others also lose their life savings and the family home. It should be graduated depending on wealth. Just as someone else has said already, the savvy ones make sure the house is in someone else's name and the money kept below the threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted77 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 If I was looking to make money off the elderly and the state I would have put a low tender in when the council were forced to take bids, after a while split the company so one part held the property and the other provided the care and paid rent to the property holding company ie you. Then up the rent for the care provider, as the council only pay so much then look to the families, maybe assess the person as low needs at first and once they were settled in reassess them and say they have got worse, each time upping the charges or letting the family move them out. The final part of this would be to close the home and keep the property portfolio, usually on big areas and then convert them or knock them down for housing, just an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Scottish people don't have to pay. People who live in Scotland don't have to pay. Scottish people (like me) in England do. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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