Its the labour party for me.

[Hairyloon]

And of course corbyn won't get jeered or eggs thrown. He's talking to an echo chamber. I can imagine how the socialist worker types would have handled any nay Sayers.

 

I was minded to go and find out. I was in Leeds today and so was he, but he was late and I had to be elsewhere...

[I1L2T3]

I recall standing from Sheffield to Chesterfield more or less everyday, twice a day. Air con was the window on the door. Toilets were awful - but in fairness any toilet that is subjected to the general public will always be up against it.

 

You'll be disappointed to find that on many of our local services the same rolling stock is still in use. And you pay through the nose to use the services.

 

But I'm well up for this so let's get cracking with a discussion about rail privatisation.

 

Your serve.

[tinfoilhat]

You'll be disappointed to find that on many of our local services the same rolling stock is still in use. And you pay through the nose to use the services.

 

But I'm well up for this so let's get cracking with a discussion about rail privatisation.

 

Your serve.

 

I can't comment on it. I don't know what it costs the tax payer now, I don't know how good or bad it is now (southern rail I know is universally awful and appears to be run by chimps). I know tickets aren't cheap. Top and the bottom of it, as I said before, I haven't been on a train for 20 odd years so I can't say what it's like.

 

However, given the investment a lot of it requires bringing it up to a standard will cost. I know corbyn would have worked this out - I'll wait to see his sums unless you know. One thing I would say is that the UK population has gone up by 8 million and people have to/choose to commute further than 20 years ago so that's a factor regardless who runs it. And BR wasn't great compared with the rest of the world.

 

I'm not averse to public ownership of the railways - it's not like you have a huge choice of companies when you want to go up the east coast mainline. But given we're about to fall into the abyss of post-brexit, backing a new train set is something we can't afford.

 

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I was minded to go and find out. I was in Leeds today and so was he, but he was late and I had to be elsewhere...

 

Would you have heckled? "What are you're brexit plans Jeremy?" "What if the big rich companies bugger off - they're already leaving because brexit?" - stuff like that?

[Waldo]

Agree with not liking the plan, your reasoning is a bit backwards though (sorry).

 

Don't be sorry!

 

I'm genuinely interested though, how can it be fair for a person who will earn considerably less than a university student to make contributions towards that student's tuition fees?

[Hairyloon]

Would you have heckled? "What are you're brexit plans Jeremy?" "What if the big rich companies bugger off - they're already leaving because brexit?" - stuff like that?

 

Like that, yes; given fair opportunity and provided that I thought of something.

Wanted to point out to the Socialist Worker contingent that they are one of his biggest millstones, but I failed to find the words.

[Anna B]

Like that, yes; given fair opportunity and provided that I thought of something.

Wanted to point out to the Socialist Worker contingent that they are one of his biggest millstones, but I failed to find the words.

 

Were there any Socialist Workers there? In my experience there were just ordinary people interested in what he had to say.

 

You do know, don't you, that what he is proposing is actually to the right of similar systems in Germany and Scandinavian countries? He is not the raving Leftie that the Media love to portray him as. That's just all part of the demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn process. He's actually a consensus politician and a very sensible man who will listen to people and take on board what they have to say.

 

I admit he's not a smooth or glossy media politician, but he is the real deal.

[I1L2T3]

I can't comment on it. I don't know what it costs the tax payer now, I don't know how good or bad it is now (southern rail I know is universally awful and appears to be run by chimps). I know tickets aren't cheap. Top and the bottom of it, as I said before, I haven't been on a train for 20 odd years so I can't say what it's like.

 

However, given the investment a lot of it requires bringing it up to a standard will cost. I know corbyn would have worked this out - I'll wait to see his sums unless you know. One thing I would say is that the UK population has gone up by 8 million and people have to/choose to commute further than 20 years ago so that's a factor regardless who runs it. And BR wasn't great compared with the rest of the world.

 

I'm not averse to public ownership of the railways - it's not like you have a huge choice of companies when you want to go up the east coast mainline. But given we're about to fall into the abyss of post-brexit, backing a new train set is something we can't afford.

 

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Would you have heckled? "What are you're brexit plans Jeremy?" "What if the big rich companies bugger off - they're already leaving because brexit?" - stuff like that?

 

So you remember some bad trains from 20+ years ago. A lot of us were on bad trains yesterday.

 

I'd argue the opposite to you. Brexit means we have to invest in infrastructure.

[El Cid]

I'd argue the opposite to you. Brexit means we have to invest in infrastructure.

 

That is what people always say, invest only if it will bring future benefit.

 

We are behind the USA when in comes to debt, second highest in the world, debt has gone up under the Tories, we need to bring that level of debt down.

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html

[I1L2T3]

That is what people always say, invest only if it will bring future benefit.

 

We are behind the USA when in comes to debt, second highest in the world, debt has gone up under the Tories, we need to bring that level of debt down.

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html

 

It might seem like a catch 22. It isn't. For a fraction of the cost of HS2 we could upgrade the lines between all the major northern cities. Quick, cheap, would promote growth and provide lasting benefits.

 

Investing for future growth is vital. Even the Tories now seem to get this although they seem focused on vanity projects like HS2.

[Obelix]

You'll be disappointed to find that on many of our local services the same rolling stock is still in use. And you pay through the nose to use the services.

 

But I'm well up for this so let's get cracking with a discussion about rail privatisation.

 

Your serve.

 

Chiltern railways.

 

Privatised, fast, efficient service with good quality trains and decent ticket pricing. If they as a effectively a new startup can do it with new rolling stock and a decent punctuality on a 5 min window then no reason why others cannot.