Its the labour party for me.

[blake]

it's going to be a worse election, for Labour than 1983.

 

2015 was very bad for Labour, worse than 1987. That is why the prescient Labour people, just quit, even before the clown Corbyn got to be leader and therefore gave 5 points, just like that, to the opposition.

 

Labour are not going go get 30% of the vote, and in fact if it is closer to 30% than 25%, then they should consider themselves lucky to escape total humiliation by the voters.

 

of course when they lose, they will 'blame the media', like they always do. They'll blame everybody except themselves, for not being good enough like Tony Blair was, to win and have the Tories all over the place, in panic and disorder.

[banjodeano]

it's going to be a worse election, for Labour than 1983.

 

2015 was very bad for Labour, worse than 1987. That is why the prescient Labour people, just quit, even before the clown Corbyn got to be leader and therefore gave 5 points, just like that, to the opposition.

 

Labour are not going go get 30% of the vote, and in fact if it is closer to 30% than 25%, then they should consider themselves lucky to escape total humiliation by the voters.

 

of course when they lose, they will 'blame the media', like they always do. They'll blame everybody except themselves, for not being good enough like Tony Blair was, to win and have the Tories all over the place, in panic and disorder.

Wow..."of course he is going to lose"

yeah, the media have been telling us that over and over and over and over for weeks now...people start to believe it

all the tory owned media have taken away true democracy, but of course you dont see it, people like you can only see it from one perspective..

[Berberis]

No its not, Corbyn will not be going anywhere, even if he loses the election, he will just get voted in again by the labour party members, that is unless the plp change their own rules and go against their own democratic process

 

I dont think he will be challenged for the leadership. He will stand down. He hinted at it in an interview recently when he initially wouldn't answer the question. If Labour wins fewer seats than Miliband, he has to stand down as he cannot claim to have been a success. This then opens up the opportunities for others who may not wish to stand against him.

 

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Wow..."of course he is going to lose"

yeah, the media have been telling us that over and over and over and over for weeks now...people start to believe it

all the tory owned media have taken away true democracy, but of course you dont see it, people like you can only see it from one perspective..

 

Tony Blair won over the media and this helped him succeed at the polls. Even the Sun supported him. If Corbyn cannot win the media, he has lost the election. To blame the media is disingenuous and a cop out.

[I1L2T3]

 

Tony Blair won over the media and this helped him succeed at the polls. Even the Sun supported him. If Corbyn cannot win the media, he has lost the election. To blame the media is disingenuous and a cop out.

 

Blair won over the media on a Tory-lite agenda.

 

If you are arguing that the media can never be won over with anything other than that or a more right wing agenda then it is biased. And if you look at the ownership of the worst offending titles that bias is clearer still: Rothermere, Murdoch etc...

 

The worst thing is the levels they stoop to. Lies and disgusting personal attacks, vilification and marginalisation of whole sections of society

 

Shameful for this country really

[L00b]

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I get angry when rich people complain about paying tax. If they pay more than other people it's because they are significantly richer than other people. If they pay a lot more they are extremely wealthy. They should be thankful for their good fortune. If you earn more, you pay more. I use the word 'earn' loosely as the people most at fault are the super rich who have more money than some small countries, don't work at all, and avoid tax like the plague. If that tax were collected think of the difference it could make. Meanwhile the 'little people' who pay our taxes are considered 'mugs' and treated with contempt. We are subjected to slurs like 'motivated by jealously' 'the politics of envy...' etc.

So, that all said and taken on board, can I ask you <again> to consider and answer my question in post #328?

[alchresearch]

Blair won over the media on a Tory-lite agenda.

 

And also gave the people what they wanted.

 

People don't want far left Red Labour, aside from the Momemtum rabble, students who probably weren't even alive during the bad old Labour days, and those viewing through rose tinted specs.

[Anna B]

And also gave the people what they wanted.

 

People don't want far left Red Labour, aside from the Momemtum rabble, students who probably weren't even alive during the bad old Labour days, and those viewing through rose tinted specs.

 

Blair gave the people what they wanted at the time. But times have changed dramatically. We have had the banking crash which changed everything, and woke people up to the intrinsic unfairness built into the system. They have realised 'we're Not all middle class now,' Not by any means...

 

Corbyn's vision is not 'far left red.' It's very similar to the system in Scandinavian countries, considered among the most successful in the world, and Germany, a byword for productivity and economic stability. I think you'll find that now that he's managed at last to start getting his message past the media sensors to the general public, via his rallys, he's appealing to far more than the so called 'Momentum rabble.'

[I1L2T3]

And also gave the people what they wanted.

 

People don't want far left Red Labour, aside from the Momemtum rabble, students who probably weren't even alive during the bad old Labour days, and those viewing through rose tinted specs.

 

Corbyn isn't fronting a far left 'red labour'

 

His policies are popular with the public and are pretty mainstream, and don't propose anything out of sync with other major economies.

[tinfoilhat]

Corbyn isn't fronting a far left 'red labour'

 

His policies are popular with the public and are pretty mainstream, and don't propose anything out of sync with other major economies.

 

But we're not the same as other economies. In certain parts he might be just right of centre, in the states he'd be jailed as communist!!!

 

Besides aren't manefestos from all parties, a bit of waste of time? Until we know where brexit is going any costing aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

[sgtkate]

Which would include food and water!

 

Ah no. You must have missed my other post where I said essentials wouldn't be taxed. Basic foods and water would not be included, nor would electricity or gas etc.