Its the labour party for me.

[Andy1976]

Could someone answer something that I can't get my head around please.

 

So, Labour want to introduce a £10/hour minimum wage. It seems to me this is unworkable? Not only can a lot of businesses not afford this, but there's a domino effect to it, as everyone else's wages have to rise too.

 

Let me explain. For example, most trainee solicitors are on about £20k or thereabouts. If the cleaner in the office earns that (because £10/hour is about £20k), then what incentive is there to be a solicitor? Surely trainees would have to be paid more? Yes, there's promotion etc, but it applies to all jobs.

 

If I employ someone to do my filing and photocopying, why would they get the same salary as someone doing legal work (unqualified, often about £20k). Surely Mrs Legal Worker is going to be massively upset if I don't increase her salary to significantly above Miss Filing Clerk?

 

So I'd not only have to pay £20k to everyone, but also then have to increase everyone else's wages so there was some sort of pay structure in place.

 

I don't see how this can possibly work. I might be missing something though. I'm not the most political, so if anyone can explain please. I ask as an employer who would have to implement this if it came in.

[banjodeano]

To be honest I am wondering if she is going through some personal problems, she has always been off cue, but recently it seems like she is not altogether there

 

as i said in the above post, abbott is indeed ill.....

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/07/diane-abbott-replaced-as-shadow-home-secretary-for-period-of-ill-health-6690924/

[nowt2pctoday]

wow who didnt see that coming Dianne Abbott removed,...... er sorry stood down due to ill health ahem! old JC took a decision shock horror??

well at least the parties got 50% credibility back for now?

[sgtkate]

Could someone answer something that I can't get my head around please.

 

So, Labour want to introduce a £10/hour minimum wage. It seems to me this is unworkable? Not only can a lot of businesses not afford this, but there's a domino effect to it, as everyone else's wages have to rise too.

 

Let me explain. For example, most trainee solicitors are on about £20k or thereabouts. If the cleaner in the office earns that (because £10/hour is about £20k), then what incentive is there to be a solicitor? Surely trainees would have to be paid more? Yes, there's promotion etc, but it applies to all jobs.

 

If I employ someone to do my filing and photocopying, why would they get the same salary as someone doing legal work (unqualified, often about £20k). Surely Mrs Legal Worker is going to be massively upset if I don't increase her salary to significantly above Miss Filing Clerk?

 

So I'd not only have to pay £20k to everyone, but also then have to increase everyone else's wages so there was some sort of pay structure in place.

 

I don't see how this can possibly work. I might be missing something though. I'm not the most political, so if anyone can explain please. I ask as an employer who would have to implement this if it came in.

 

The only incentive you can think of for doing a job that's not a cleaner is money? I'd have put doing a job a liked quite a long way above that. If a cleaner earns more than me, then good for them. You are talking about the politics of envy once more where we can't stand other people earning more than us for a job of which we decry is 'lower' than ours. Perhaps if everyone looked to their own life and happiness first without comparing to their neighbours we'd live in a better world.

 

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as i said in the above post, abbott is indeed ill.....

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/07/diane-abbott-replaced-as-shadow-home-secretary-for-period-of-ill-health-6690924/

 

Or if you are looking for a conspiracy, then she's faking illness to get her away from the spotlight.

[banjodeano]

The only incentive you can think of for doing a job that's not a cleaner is money? I'd have put doing a job a liked quite a long way above that. If a cleaner earns more than me, then good for them. You are talking about the politics of envy once more where we can't stand other people earning more than us for a job of which we decry is 'lower' than ours. Perhaps if everyone looked to their own life and happiness first without comparing to their neighbours we'd live in a better world.

 

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Or if you are looking for a conspiracy, then she's faking illness to get her away from the spotlight.

no...i dont think so, her body language spoke volumes to me, i knew she wasnt well, thats why i said it before she was declared unwell...she is just not there

[mossdog]

no...i dont think so, her body language spoke volumes to me, i knew she wasnt well, thats why i said it before she was declared unwell...she is just not there

..........she's been pulled! you know it and we all know it! Jez has had a quite word!

[sgtkate]

..........she's been pulled! you know it and we all know it! Jez has had a quite word!

 

And there you go banjo...as predicted

[Andy1976]

The only incentive you can think of for doing a job that's not a cleaner is money? I'd have put doing a job a liked quite a long way above that. If a cleaner earns more than me, then good for them. You are talking about the politics of envy once more where we can't stand other people earning more than us for a job of which we decry is 'lower' than ours. Perhaps if everyone looked to their own life and happiness first without comparing to their neighbours we'd live in a better world.

 

 

I'll happily let you explain that to my staff then.

 

It's a lovely utopian view, but I guarantee that if I pay my staff the same as the cleaner/filing clerk/whatever job, and have no pay structure, they will complain. Guaranteed. I see it all the time as an employer. To expect anything less is frankly unrealistic I'm afraid. In an ideal world, people would take job worth over salary. They don't though.

[L00b]

The only incentive you can think of for doing a job that's not a cleaner is money? I'd have put doing a job a liked quite a long way above that. If a cleaner earns more than me, then good for them. You are talking about the politics of envy once more where we can't stand other people earning more than us for a job of which we decry is 'lower' than ours. Perhaps if everyone looked to their own life and happiness first without comparing to their neighbours we'd live in a better world.

Nice thoughts, sgtkate.

 

But then, Uni fees and loans in tow for the non-cleaning, satisfying job-seeker of Andy1976's example. Why would they invest in themselves, if the job market doesn't reward that investment?

 

A solution to that problem may be a generalisation of training contracts: everybody starts as a cleaner, and those who want to do different or 'better' (eventually to get better-paid) exchange employer-sponsored higher education/training for guaranteed length of service (lest they repay the employer for the higher education/training if they leave earlier)

 

That model works well for niche/highly specialised jobs like mine (but then entrants to the profession pre-training are STEM MSc minimum these days, and routinely PhDs...so problem already).

 

Back to Victorian/Edwardian times, then. Hand in hand with the most massive brain drain the UK ever saw.

I'll happily let you explain that to my staff then.

 

It's a lovely utopian view, but I guarantee that if I pay my staff the same as the cleaner/filing clerk/whatever job, and have no pay structure, they will complain. Guaranteed. I see it all the time as an employer. To expect anything less is frankly unrealistic I'm afraid. In an ideal world, people would take job worth over salary. They don't though.

And so will clients when you inevitably pass on the overhead surge. Then people will complain that they "can't afford justice". Etc, etc. Edited June 7, 2017 by L00b

[top4718]

Too late I'm afraid, damage done.