Who's at fault here in this car crash

[truman]

It doesnt say no left turn. The marks are also irrespective of the actual lane markings on the roundabout. You are mento to follow the road markings as they are presented to you and you are not supposed to swerve across two lanes when you realise you are in the wrong lane.

 

If you want to argue that the lane markings before the junction say M1N and R'Ham, then the markings before this state, as you enter the lane M1N, and make no mention of R'Ham. You cant say the markings are wrong and correct at the same time.

Can you just confirm that you think it's Ok to approach a r/a in a lane signed for straight on and then turn left from it?

[Berberis]

Assuming the white car intended to go to Rotherham via the A617.

 

At what point did their lane choice become incorrect?

 

Here I suspect. http://i.imgur.com/YqzLnWm.jpg

 

The markings say M1N. The white car entered this lane before the markings for M1N & R'ham.

 

I understand that they are confusing, but that does not grant you the right to cut across lanes in such a way as this. The driver of the white vehicle could see the lanes clearly when on the roundabout and cut across them into the path of the black car. If there were no lanes, this would be a different issue and it would be had to determine who was at fault, but as the lanes are clear and pretty new by the look of it, the driver of the white car should not have crossed them without first indicting and checking it was safe to do so.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Berberis

[truman]

Here I suspect. http://i.imgur.com/YqzLnWm.jpg

 

The markings say M1N. The white car entered this lane before the markings for M1N & R'ham.

 

In that case the black car was in the M1S lane? Look further up the road,next to the lorry..the lane is marked M1N and ROTH.

Edited May 18, 2017 by truman

[Obelix]

The rule is that you obey the markings as they are presented to you. It matters not what you passed 10 meters, 100 meters, 5 miles beforehand. What you have now in front of you is what counts.

 

The white car failed to indicate a change of lane, and moved into a lane occupied by another vehicle. That's violating a fundamental rule. You don't drive into someone elses lane without taking due care.

[Berberis]

In that case the black car was in the M1S lane?

 

Not once he/she had entered the roundabout. Assuming you have to follow the lane markings 100m+ behind you is wrong. You follow the road as it is laid out in front of you.

[truman]

Not once he/she had entered the roundabout. Assuming you have to follow the lane markings 100m+ behind you is wrong. You follow the road as it is laid out in front of you.

 

The last sign on the road is no more than 10 metres back from the r/a. Right..from now on I'll ignore any lane markings and drive as I please...should be fun but hey, it's a company car

[Huffty_500]

Obelix is right.

[SnailyBoy]

Here I suspect. http://i.imgur.com/YqzLnWm.jpg

 

The markings say M1N. The white car entered this lane before the markings for M1N & R'ham.

 

I understand that they are confusing, but that does not grant you the right to cut across lanes in such a way as this. The driver of the white vehicle could see the lanes clearly when on the roundabout and cut across them into the path of the black car. If there were no lanes, this would be a different issue and it would be had to determine who was at fault, but as the lanes are clear and pretty new by the look of it, the driver of the white car should not have crossed them without first indicting and checking it was safe to do so.

 

What lane should the white car have been in to go to Rotherham.

 

Also what do you think the destination was of the black car? Personally i suspect Rotherham.

Edited May 18, 2017 by SnailyBoy

[Michael_N]

Not once he/she had entered the roundabout. Assuming you have to follow the lane markings 100m+ behind you is wrong. You follow the road as it is laid out in front of you.

 

Middle lane has always been just M1S. It's only the left lane that has changed around 2 years ago. Both cars could've avoided it, white car could've held back as you could see the black car was hesitant and unsure.

 

However markings on the road state left for M1N and Rotherham. No less than 50yds away from entering the roundabout. The failure of Highways Agency or Sheffield City Council to communicate this lane change and repainting of the lines is the main cause of the problem.

 

The main issue with this roundabout is quite a number of cars are unfamiliar with the road and not from the local area - visiting the Arena or Meadowhall etc. This is why the main points are M1N and M1S as you stated to start off with - with local traffic then directed at the following markings. Quite a common way to do this - Park Square is a classic example.

 

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What lane should the white car have been in to go to Rotherham via the A617?

 

Also what do you think the destination was of the black car? Personally i suspect Rotherham, via the A617.

If I'm right in thinking, they should go in the middle lane (against road markings) to then cut right infront of the correct lane to then cut off. Might not cut across a white line - but certainly drifting across into another lane...

[nikki-red]

I think the fact its caused such disagreements/confusion on here says it all. The road markings just before the roundabout contradict the markings ON the roundabout.

 

Lets say the white car is off to Magna, gets in the left lane before the RA which says left or straight on, but once on the RA is apparently forced to go left onto the viaduct.

 

Common sense says the left lane would be for a left turn but if you dont know the roads and follow the arrows once you're on the RA its too late.

 

 

The most surprising thing about this is that they aren't more accidents there!

Edited May 18, 2017 by nikki-red
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