Who's at fault here in this car crash

[Berberis]

Which,the one that says M1N and ROTH? Looking Back here the sign isn't that far from the r/a entrance

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Meadowhall/@53.4133717,-1.4031075,3a,75y,265.4h,68.19t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x487977903c645bb3:0x38418092d9fe50ee!8m2!3d53.414405!4d-1.4110398?hl=en

 

4 car lengths..(about)

 

Here is the first sign as the road splits from 2 lanes to 3. http://i.imgur.com/ZzzG2ww.jpg

 

It then adds to this further down the lanes. http://i.imgur.com/KD2A69J.jpg

 

Looking at older data it seems SCC have changed the road markings from simple arrows (that were correct) to these worded directions that appear to be wrong.

 

http://i.imgur.com/SYOWoOy.jpg

[geared]

So please tell us which car should the white car go in then for Rotherham (Magna). It clearly is signed left lane, yet you and others are saying they should ignore the road markings and just drive in the middle lane to cut across like the black car did - and ultimately cause an accident?

 

To go straight on you need the middle lane.

 

Unfortunately you don't know that until it's too late because the markings are incorrect.

The left lane is clearly marked Roth but at the roundabout it becomes clear that the left lane is going left only.

 

To go to Rotherham you need to change lanes into the middle lane.

[TheNugget]

I'm going to drive it later and report back!

[Berberis]

So for Rotherham they should use the lane M1S/Bawtry, not M1N/R'Ham?

 

Yes, but as I have said, the road signs are wrong/confusing and the driver of the white car followed one set of markings over another. Then swerved into another vehicle. This is where the fault lays. Its nothing to do with the markings prior to the junction as the white car failed to follow the road layout ahead of him/her.

[truman]

Here is the first sign as the road splits from 2 lanes to 3. http://i.imgur.com/ZzzG2ww.jpg

 

It then adds to this further down the lanes. http://i.imgur.com/KD2A69J.jpg

 

Looking at older data it seems SCC have changed the road markings from simple arrows (that were correct) to these worded directions that appear to be wrong.

 

http://i.imgur.com/SYOWoOy.jpg

 

Say for example,you were a newcomer to the area and wanted to go to Magna from Sheffield Road,using lane markings from the video,which lane would you have chosen?

[Michael_N]

To go straight on you need the middle lane.

 

Unfortunately you don't know that until it's too late because the markings are incorrect.

The left lane is clearly marked Roth but at the roundabout it becomes clear that the left lane is going left only.

 

To go to Rotherham you need to change lanes into the middle lane.

 

Yes logic would say that too. However the Rotherham turn off is classed as a 2nd left turn on this 6 exit roundabout.

 

The confusion lies with the markings on the approach not matching up with those on the roundabout.

[spider1]

I completely agree with your position

Meadowhell is behind them and they are on the south side of the viaduct, white car is in LH lane heading LEFT to M1 north.

I'll also concede it's poorly marked however, LH lane on any multi lane junction should be taken as LH only even if you don't know the area. Middle lane is left turn and straight on to Rotherham/bawtry/M1s.

 

I'll drive it tomorrow and if wrong I'll happily admit.

 

---------- Post added 17-05-2017 at 22:47 ----------

 

 

Seems straight forward enough to me as above.

 

Yes spot on white cars fault ./ Keep out of inside lane cars are always liable to go left on a roundabout.// ONLY GO ON INSIDE LANE JUST BEFORE YOUR EXIT

[Eater Sundae]

Correct, but once it has entered the roundabout it followed the lanes correctly. The white car did not and this is why the white car is at fault. You can clearly see the lanes on the roundabout and the black car does not cross them once it has entered. The white car crossed the lane and this is where the fault lies.

 

Following your logic, every driver in every lane approaching the roundabout from sheffield (ie the white car, the black car, and any car to the right of the black car) should all use the outer (ie left hand) lane of the roundabout and exit onto the left hand lane of the viaduct low level, as this is what the roundabout markings appear to indicate.

 

The way it should work is that drivers approach the roundabout in the correct lane, depending on where they want to go, and cross the roundabout exit markings to remain in the lane they were in as they go under the viaduct, towards Magna, Bawtry Rd or M1S, as appropriate. In the case of the left hand lane approaching the roundabout, the driver (white car) has the option of going straight ahead or left. He doesn't have to change lanes. The black car doesn't have the choice. He should stay in the central lane as he goes under the M1. He gets the choice of whether to go on Bawtry Rd or M1S later on around the roundabout, where his lane splits into 2, without him having to change lanes.

 

There is confusion caused by the lane markings on the roundabout, but only because people are not looking ahead to the lane of the roundabout that they need.

[Michael_N]

I'm going to drive it later and report back!

 

I drive it daily and coming from Attercliffe across to Rotherham, always use the left lane as is signed. Never seen an issues apart from once when a boy racer got into the middle lane and turned left across the viaduct t-boning another car.

 

I was a witness for the accident and did stop (unlike the dash cam footage) given it was 1am in the morning and the accident was between a group of lads in a Fiat Punto and a lone woman in a Seat Ibiza. I do believe the outcome was the Fiat Punto was at fault and admitted liability at the scene.

 

They did think they were also in the right - due to the road markings on the roundabout its self. This was back around November and still nothing has changed.

[Berberis]

To go straight on you need the middle lane.

 

Unfortunately you don't know that until it's too late because the markings are incorrect.

The left lane is clearly marked Roth but at the roundabout it becomes clear that the left lane is going left only.

 

To go to Rotherham you need to change lanes into the middle lane.

 

This is my take in the issue. The markings were wrong in one of the two instances prior to the junction. When the white car was presented with the lanes it is clear they go onto the M1. The driver of the white vehicle only noted this when they saw the sign and had failed to assess the road ahead of them until the last second.

 

At this point the problem that lay ahead of the white vehicle driver was clear: blob:http://i.imgur.com/s8QdiiT.jpg